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Raven Navy Issue vs Scorpion Navi Issue vs Rattlesnake | Alternatives?

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2015-04-24 12:30:49 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
You all forget to mention a very important thing about the rattler

Gallente Battleship bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage

Caldari Battleship bonuses (per skill level):
4% bonus to all shield resistances

Role Bonus:
275% bonus to Sentry Drone and Heavy Drone damage and hitpoint

the important part beeing the role bonus here.


This basicely means that the rattler, the worm and the gila all dont need the ship skills at any reasonably high level to work so they are super easy on the skill points, coupled with asburd tanking abilities and easy to fit stuff

[Rattlesnake, New Setup 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender I
Large Shield Extender I
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I

Republic Fleet Bouncer x2

something like this (im no mission runner and this is probably not a fit you should take to actually do missions in, its an example) is easily useable in 2-3 month and even then you are looking at over 230k ehp vs kinetic (or refit vs the tank type you want with a 500dps tank and 750+ dps (or 900+ if you use a gecko).


And if you can actually fly it well it has absurd tank, absurd dps and its almost ungankable due to a really sick passive tank on top of that.


Such a ****** witty Rattler, shame...

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#42 - 2015-04-24 13:15:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
OP, be VERY careful about who you listen to. Getting lvl 4s wrong when you are 'young' is a good way to throw isk down the drain for nothing. And while most people mean well, the truth is that most EVE PVE (and all the PVE that can be 'solo'd) isn't dynamic enough to force it's users to actually "improve" (unlike PVP, blowing up a lot teaches you how to avoid getting blown up so much), so you have lots of pilots displaying lots of really bad habits then teaching new players bad habits that they don't have enough SP to survive against.

In other words, if you follow the wrong advice and get blown up, most of these 'advisers' aren't going to throw you any replacement isk, so again, be careful who you listen to.

If I were you OP, I'd listen to Baltec, he actually knows what he's doing and he's one of the few advocating that you take your time (and hell, Rapid Heavy Raven in lvl 3s isn't just safer starting out, I think it's a bit more fun, but that's just me) and "grow" into the activity unlike most of the others. My personal suggestion is to always have a LMJD on any solo pve battleship, it's a get out of jail free card.

Also look up posts by 'Stoicfaux', like Baltec is has actual practical experience where it counts.
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2015-04-24 13:22:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Chan
Navy Raven - Great damage application, faster missiles speed. 8 effective launchers.
Scorpion Navy - RoF bonus(worst damage bonus for PvE) and bonus to tank. 7.5 effective launchers.
Rattlesnake - Dual weapon system, role bonus for drones(7.5 effective sentry/heavy drones), 7.5 effective launchers with kinetic/thermal damage and a bonus to tank.

The Navy Raven is a great missile boat. Since your 2-3 months in, your probably going to want to look for a cheap MJD sniper fit unless you feel like plexing a MJD fit.
Rating - 2nd in damage, tied first for damage application and 2nd in hull cost.

Scorpion Navy Issue is a meh missile boat. RoF bonuses are the worst for PvE as your goal is the reduce volleys. Less missiles launched = more isk saved = more time saved. The bonus to tank is nice, however tiny for 2-3 month old character.
Rating - 3rd in damage, 2nd/3rd in damage application and 1st in hull cost.

Rattlesnake as previously mentioned the hull bonus is what you want to look at here. Just being able to sit in this, gives you an effective 7.5 sentry/heavy drones or the equivalent of having Gallente Battleship 5 with the Dominix. Granted, it being a dual weapon system also makes it a bit more SP intensive to get into but it is by far the better choice. Also 7.5 Effective launchers with kinetic/thermal damage is annoying because 75% of the time, you will be shooitng into a secondary resist hole.
Rating - 1st in damage, tied first damage application(no application bonus for missiles like the Navy Raven but using Sentry drones makes up for it and 3rd in hull cost.

What's that? Yes the ship that has the highest dps is also has the cheapest hull. #mindblown.

[Rattlesnake, cheap PvE]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Micro Jump Drive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I

Bouncer I x2
Garde I x2
Warden I x2

Please note, the above fit is designed to be a cheap guideline and not a suggested fit. The theory behind this fit is less tank more gank. When you Micro Jump Drive(MJD) 100km out, the damage you take drops off sharply enough that a undersized shield rep will be more then sufficient to keep you alive. Please note then, that means when you enter a mission pocket you need the MJD ready to go as soon as you enter, otherwise this tank will not sustain you under any serious level 4 damage.
Fitting Guide:
Lows -
3x Drone Damage Amplifiers and 3x Ballistic Control Systems. This is a balance between the two so not one is penalized more then the other. You can change this ratio depending on your skill or remove either ore and place a Damage Control if you want more tank. Which will not be needed for this fit as this is a MJD fit.

Mids -

2x Omnidirectional Tracking LInks - scripted with Optimal range for best sentry drone result once your MJD'd out.

1x Microwarp Drive/1x Micro Jump Drive - I pick a dual prop system as if you miss with your MJD, the Rattlesnake isn't exactly a fast boat to get to the gate. If you have all the time in the world, then replace the Microwarp drive with PWNAGE the meta 4 target painter or a non scripted/scripted sensor booster to increase your lock range. Depending on your missile range you might get a way with a nonscripted booster and enjoy faster lock times.

2x Adaptive Invul field - standard omni tank, I'm a bit lazy but you can go with mission specific hardeners. Honestly though, with MJD builds, it's unecessary.

1x medium c5-l emergency shield overlord - a meta 4 medium shield booster. This is undersized for the hull and a larger one can be used. However, with a MJD I find that unecessary and undersized booster can be run longer, allowing for mistakes when handling your cap. Replace with a Large or X-Large at your discretion.

Highs -

5x Meta 4 Launchers - pew pew

1x Drone Link Augmentors - increase your drone control range as your engagement area has just increased to 100km_

Rigs -

2x Rigors - Rattlesnake has no application bonus, so you'll want these to land decent hits on cruisers and below.

1x Large Drone Control Range Augmentor - More range to your drone control.

All said and told, you could probably buy and fly this fit for a little over 400 million(Current price of the hull is around 395 million). As, I have no idea of your current skills, my assumption is that you will be around 900 dps, 139 tank vs Sansha(low) 222 tank v Angel(high) and around 5 minutes of capacitor running everything but the MJD and Microwarp Drive.

You couldn't even BUY a CNR/SNI Hull for 500 million.

Now this fit will not last you forever, you're going to want to bling it out. But that's a discussion for another time/place.
TL:DR, you can buy a fit a Rattlesnake to do more damage then a CNR/SNI for the price of the hull of a CNR/SNI.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2015-04-24 13:29:53 UTC
If you can use drones with a modicum of skill and have gallente BS trained, use a MJD sniping dominix. There is no better way to learn triggers/mission lay outs. I literally cannot envisage a way you could lose this ship.

Use it to pad your wallet whilst your skill plan matures and your skill/knowledge as a player evolves.

The only risk is that the thing is so goddamned easy mode you might lose your next ship!
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2015-04-24 13:38:27 UTC
afkalt wrote:
If you can use drones with a modicum of skill and have gallente BS trained, use a MJD sniping dominix. There is no better way to learn triggers/mission lay outs. I literally cannot envisage a way you could lose this ship.

Use it to pad your wallet whilst your skill plan matures and your skill/knowledge as a player evolves.

The only risk is that the thing is so goddamned easy mode you might lose your next ship!


Pretty sure this applies to ANY MJD fit. MJD Sniping Dominix is decent but it's damage cannot compare to the Rattlesnake. You would need Gallente BS 5 to equal the drone damage you get by sitting in the Rattlesnake hull. The tracking bonus is near useless because rats are flying at you in a straight line when you are using a MJD fit.

That said, Dominix is a decent missioning boat. If you shield tank it, you can do some sweet dps as well but not something i'd try and sell a 3 month old toon on.



Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-04-24 15:12:00 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:



I think the point they were trying to make is a Raven is a horrible choice for L3 missions and they are correct. However I see what you want the OP to accomplish so I understand your reasoning for the suggestion.


Slap RHML on it and its not too shabby. ( It earns more than an ishtar in lvl 3 blitzing) Its not a mach thats for sure.



If he has the skills to properly use RHML then he has no business being in a raven. I get the point was to have him learn how to use a Golem one day... but RHML and cruise and RHML and torps are completely different beasts. With the current price of pirate BS and navy BS I see no reason not to have him start in an overtanked SNI or Rattle or RNI.


so if he has the skills to use rhml he shouldnt be in a raven but should be in a rattlesnake which uses 2 different (long train) weapon systems? what use will a rattler be in a mission if his drone, cruise and core skills are subpar



There was two points there but the boat seemed to pass by you.

If he has the skills to properly use RHML then he should be in a rattle with RHML for level 3's. Not a Raven

If he doesn't have skills to PROPERLY use RHML then he needs to be in one of the higher DPS/High tank hulls that cost so little right now that it doesn't matter.

If you are going to run level 3's to train for level 4's you are in for a bit of a surprise as they are different kind of missions. Level 3's dont have the trigger concerns and there isn't the need to dedicate ship size priorities. Level 4's you want to watch your triggers, figure out your blitz methods and finally come up with a plan to eliminate small scramming frigs before or during your mitigation of DPS.

As others have pointed out, a Rattlesnake is the king right now for DPS and it does very well in the tank department. Whether the advise is to start at Level 3 or to jump into Level 4 the ship to do both is the same. Rattlesnake. But a SNI or RNI is still better than a Raven.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#47 - 2015-04-25 11:37:00 UTC
Rattle is not a good ship for someone new to battleships, especially for level 3s.

They require more SP to use, more management and they are twice the cost of a raven. In level 3s you want to be moving to the next objective while you are shooting targets so rattles with sentries are right off the bat at a disadvantage in speed. If you use other drones then you have the flight time of the drones. On top of that you are managing two weapon systems at the same time.

Raven is much faster to train into and easier to use. Remember, OP is learning the basics of flying a battleship so tossing him into the most management intensive of all the battleships is not the best way to go about this.
Aeon Ecko
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-04-25 21:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Aeon Ecko
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W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2015-04-25 22:56:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rattle is not a good ship for someone new to battleships, especially for level 3s.

They require more SP to use, more management and they are twice the cost of a raven. In level 3s you want to be moving to the next objective while you are shooting targets so rattles with sentries are right off the bat at a disadvantage in speed. If you use other drones then you have the flight time of the drones. On top of that you are managing two weapon systems at the same time.

Raven is much faster to train into and easier to use. Remember, OP is learning the basics of flying a battleship so tossing him into the most management intensive of all the battleships is not the best way to go about this.


Did you read the stuff above? Of all bs the rattler is the easiest to train into, its harder to maximize but to reach 750+ dps easily you need to spend like a week of training as its main damage comes from its role bonus.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2015-04-25 23:28:59 UTC
Aeon Ecko wrote:
Megathron. Enough said.

2102+ DPS [5K Volley], 529 m/s Velocity, AB+Web+Disruptor
25K EHP

[Megathron, Battleship]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

100MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Auxiliary Thrusters I
[empty rig slot]

'Augmented' Ogre x3
Large Standard Container


Implants
Slot 1: Low-Grade Snake Alpha
Slot 2: Low-Grade Snake Beta
Slot 3: Republic Special Ops Field Enhancer - Gamma
Slot 4: High-Grade Snake Delta
Slot 5: High-Grade Snake Epilson
Slot 6: Zainou 'Sharpshot' Torpedo TD-606
Slot 7: Eifyur and Co. 'Rouge' Evasive Maneuvering EM-706
Slot 8: Eifyur and Co. 'Rouge' Fuel Conservation EM-806
Slot 9: Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Gunnery RF-906
Slot 10: Zainou 'Deadeye' Large Hybrid Turret LH-1006



Why would you ever linked that fit above?? Is that classy lvl3 set up, lol

And where is the price check for this shiny pod with all those implants?

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2015-04-25 23:31:44 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:


Did you read the stuff above? Of all bs the rattler is the easiest to train into, its harder to maximize but to reach 750+ dps easily you need to spend like a week of training as its main damage comes from its role bonus.


Do you ever run lvl3 with Rattler, please be honest here.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Aeon Ecko
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2015-04-25 23:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aeon Ecko
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Aeon Ecko wrote:
Megathron. Enough said.

2102+ DPS [5K Volley], 529 m/s Velocity, AB+Web+Disruptor
25K EHP

[Megathron, Battleship]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

100MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Auxiliary Thrusters I
[empty rig slot]

'Augmented' Ogre x3
Large Standard Container


Implants
Slot 1: Low-Grade Snake Alpha
Slot 2: Low-Grade Snake Beta
Slot 3: Republic Special Ops Field Enhancer - Gamma
Slot 4: High-Grade Snake Delta
Slot 5: High-Grade Snake Epilson
Slot 6: Zainou 'Sharpshot' Torpedo TD-606
Slot 7: Eifyur and Co. 'Rouge' Evasive Maneuvering EM-706
Slot 8: Eifyur and Co. 'Rouge' Fuel Conservation EM-806
Slot 9: Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Gunnery RF-906
Slot 10: Zainou 'Deadeye' Large Hybrid Turret LH-1006



Why would you ever linked that fit above?? Is that classy lvl3 set up, lol

And where is the price check for this shiny pod with all those implants?


check it yourself, those implant only come out to maybe 30M ISK to 60M ISK check OSMIUM.ORG or something i know how much they are they not more than the Rattlesnake put together. STILL CHEAPER. If it makes you feel better and sleep good at night i will take them out and it's STILL CHEAPER AND BETTER.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2015-04-26 00:02:39 UTC
Aeon Ecko wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Aeon Ecko wrote:
Megathron. Enough said.

2102+ DPS [5K Volley], 529 m/s Velocity, AB+Web+Disruptor
25K EHP

[Megathron, Battleship]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

100MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Auxiliary Thrusters I
[empty rig slot]

'Augmented' Ogre x3
Large Standard Container


Implants
Slot 1: Low-Grade Snake Alpha
Slot 2: Low-Grade Snake Beta
Slot 3: Republic Special Ops Field Enhancer - Gamma
Slot 4: High-Grade Snake Delta
Slot 5: High-Grade Snake Epilson
Slot 6: Zainou 'Sharpshot' Torpedo TD-606
Slot 7: Eifyur and Co. 'Rouge' Evasive Maneuvering EM-706
Slot 8: Eifyur and Co. 'Rouge' Fuel Conservation EM-806
Slot 9: Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Gunnery RF-906
Slot 10: Zainou 'Deadeye' Large Hybrid Turret LH-1006



Why would you ever linked that fit above?? Is that classy lvl3 set up, lol

And where is the price check for this shiny pod with all those implants?


check it yourself, those implant only come out to maybe 30M ISK to 60M ISK check OSMIUM.ORG or something i know how much they are they not more than the Rattlesnake put together. STILL CHEAPER. If it makes you feel better and sleep good at night i will take them out and it's STILL CHEAPER AND BETTER.


Good troll is a good troll, enough said

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Aeon Ecko
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2015-04-26 00:03:45 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Aeon Ecko wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Aeon Ecko wrote:
Megathron. Enough said.

2102+ DPS [5K Volley], 529 m/s Velocity, AB+Web+Disruptor
25K EHP

[Megathron, Battleship]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

100MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L
Polarized Neutron Blaster Cannon, Void L

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Auxiliary Thrusters I
[empty rig slot]

'Augmented' Ogre x3
Large Standard Container


Implants
Slot 1: Low-Grade Snake Alpha
Slot 2: Low-Grade Snake Beta
Slot 3: Republic Special Ops Field Enhancer - Gamma
Slot 4: High-Grade Snake Delta
Slot 5: High-Grade Snake Epilson
Slot 6: Zainou 'Sharpshot' Torpedo TD-606
Slot 7: Eifyur and Co. 'Rouge' Evasive Maneuvering EM-706
Slot 8: Eifyur and Co. 'Rouge' Fuel Conservation EM-806
Slot 9: Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Gunnery RF-906
Slot 10: Zainou 'Deadeye' Large Hybrid Turret LH-1006



Why would you ever linked that fit above?? Is that classy lvl3 set up, lol

And where is the price check for this shiny pod with all those implants?


check it yourself, those implant only come out to maybe 30M ISK to 60M ISK check OSMIUM.ORG or something i know how much they are they not more than the Rattlesnake put together. STILL CHEAPER. If it makes you feel better and sleep good at night i will take them out and it's STILL CHEAPER AND BETTER.


Good troll is a good troll, enough said


Hater are going to hate. Truth hurts.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2015-04-26 00:05:25 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:


Did you read the stuff above? Of all bs the rattler is the easiest to train into, its harder to maximize but to reach 750+ dps easily you need to spend like a week of training as its main damage comes from its role bonus.


Do you ever run lvl3 with Rattler, please be honest here.


Only missions i ever do are lvl 5s. (but i almost never do those). But how does that matter?
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2015-04-26 00:16:10 UTC
Aeon Ecko wrote:


Hater are going to hate. Truth hurts.


how could i hate you if you are such a funny person lol

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#57 - 2015-04-26 00:38:26 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:


Did you read the stuff above? Of all bs the rattler is the easiest to train into, its harder to maximize but to reach 750+ dps easily you need to spend like a week of training as its main damage comes from its role bonus.


Do you ever run lvl3 with Rattler, please be honest here.


Only missions i ever do are lvl 5s. (but i almost never do those). But how does that matter?



As much as I disagree on his point in the pvp thread, I have to say that he is spot on here.

Low SP rattle is far more effective than low sp Raven. With the low sp rattle you can throw out your drones, have plenty of tank and have missiles to back you up. With the raven if you are low sp you are either doing missions with the wrong weapon type, using crappy unbonused drones and you are slow.

Rattle is a great lvl 3 ship if you dont care about warp speed, and in this case blitzing is not what we are trying to teach the OP, mission running is. Rattle isn't some mystical creature needing 100mil sp to use. It is a Domi with Missile support.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Aeon Ecko
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2015-04-26 00:50:08 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Aeon Ecko wrote:


Hater are going to hate. Truth hurts.


how could i hate you if you are such a funny person lol


But yet you name called EVEN after the fact. Have not contributed constructive price/performance ratio to counter. Stick to the OP your going off on tangents. What was the goal? i gave simple analysis and corrected my post to please thee and yet you not take it into consideration. Either say something nice or do not say anything at all.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-04-26 01:28:00 UTC
Aeon Ecko wrote:



But yet you name called EVEN after the fact. Have not contributed constructive price/performance ratio to counter. Stick to the OP your going off on tangents. What was the goal? i gave simple analysis and corrected my post to please thee and yet you not take it into consideration. Either say something nice or do not say anything at all.


i got nothing to add to already said

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#60 - 2015-04-26 01:50:08 UTC
Aeon Ecko wrote:
Megathron.

I'm not re-quoting this fit. It makes my eyes bleed...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.