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Sitting behind the Rattlesnake console...
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Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#1 - 2015-04-23 15:34:53 UTC
Hello All!


So, after a few Months of playing I played around in different fields of the game and I realized that I love drones and I am more of a Shield tanks then Armor tank. So, looking at the accessible ships (forget the T2s for the next years) I landed my semi-long term goal on the Rattlesnake.

That ship seems to be a killer with Sentries and it has pretty interesting shield bonuses that makes it a hard nut to crack. Oh and you have Cruise missiles as "back-up".

Plus, I read its a good ship to run L4 missions.


This said, I am surprised that there are not a lot of recommended fits out there and the ones I find are old. Would you happen to have a "modern" take on the Rattlesnake with a strong focus on Drones? I would orient my skill plan towards that specific fit...


Many thanks
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-04-23 16:01:02 UTC
Rattlesnake

I use fit like this. Pretty decent and recent.

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Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#3 - 2015-04-23 17:46:18 UTC
Interesting...

Lots of high-end expensive mods in your example, but I guess I could aim T2 versions for now to orient my skill training.


One question...how well does it perform with only a single hardener? I am worries as if you start a mission and get web scrambled right away you may be trapped in a very bad situation.
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2015-04-23 17:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Yeah that fit is total overkill and should not be recommended to people who don't know what they are doing.
Mission rats don't scram, they only disrupt. If you have an MJD fit, you don't need to worry about it.

I would start with something like this, tanks better than that active fit and you are only losing about 200 dps, although that fit will apply damage better, for an extra 1.2 bil as well as moving the ship into highly profitable gank territory i'll pass.

The hardeners will be changed depending on the rats you are fighting.

[Rattlesnake, Starter]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II


Garde II x2
Bouncer II x2
Warden II x2
Hobgoblin II x 5

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#5 - 2015-04-23 18:05:36 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
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This said, I am surprised that there are not a lot of recommended fits out there and the ones I find are old. Would you happen to have a "modern" take on the Rattlesnake with a strong focus on Drones? I would orient my skill plan towards that specific fit...


Here is the thing, we do not know how you want to fly a ship or how you want to use it.

The "best" fitting for that purpose is for you to fiddle out.

There may be fits that work in a specific way but you would need to fly in a way you may not like or want or whatever. This part is up to you only.

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Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#6 - 2015-04-23 19:22:27 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Yeah that fit is total overkill and should not be recommended to people who don't know what they are doing.
Mission rats don't scram, they only disrupt. If you have an MJD fit, you don't need to worry about it.


Just to clarify, "Disruptors" only prevents warping where "Scramblers" prevent both warping, microwarpdrive and microjumpdrives?



And I must say that your build is very interesting. I downsized it to my current reality (T1 rigs, T1 Missiles Launchers, T1 Sentries) and its still pretty interesting.

Given my current skill set, I would have a maximum tank of 257 DPS, but with a raw shield of 24.75 K. This is a lot of buffer to get out of heated situation. With this, I have a DPS of 805. The drone range is only 59 Km but the missiles could start pounding at 86.3 Km.

Also, I was reading that to do L4 you need a Tank and Spank of 1000 DPS or more. With this build I am already at 1062 and it will only go up.
Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-04-23 19:39:42 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
Just to clarify, "Disruptors" only prevents warping where "Scramblers" prevent both warping, microwarpdrive and microjumpdrives?
Correct


Pod Panik wrote:

And I must say that your build is very interesting. I downsized it to my current reality (T1 rigs, T1 Missiles Launchers, T1 Sentries) and its still pretty interesting.

Given my current skill set, I would have a maximum tank of 257 DPS, but with a raw shield of 24.75 K. This is a lot of buffer to get out of heated situation. With this, I have a DPS of 805. The drone range is only 59 Km but the missiles could start pounding at 86.3 Km.

Also, I was reading that to do L4 you need a Tank and Spank of 1000 DPS or more. With this build I am already at 1062 and it will only go up.

Go for the T2 Rigs, if you are investing 400 mil+ in the hull spending the extra for the T2 rigs is more than justified (you don't need skills to fit them, the skills only affect the drawbacks)
Until you can use the T2 sentries use the Faction sentries, they are also more expensive but the HP buff and DPS buff make them worth it compared to T1.

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Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
#8 - 2015-04-23 20:57:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Mac
Paranoid Loyd wrote:

Mission rats don't scram, they only disrupt. If you have an MJD fit, you don't need to worry about it.

They do scram. Each faction has 4 tackling frigs. 2 warp disruptors and 2 warp scramblers.

Scramblers
Angel: Arch Gistii Outlaw and Thug
Raiders: Elder Corpii Herald and Upholder
Guristas: Dire Pithi Infiltrator and Invader
Drones: Strain Infester Alvi and Splinter
Sansha: Centii Loyal Ravener and Scavenger
Serpentis: Coreli Guardian Initiate and Scout

I don't know about empire factions. I'm not killing them.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-04-23 21:44:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
have linked the fit often already

used it (no more missions for me to boring), its abit blingy

[Rattlesnake, blingmission]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier

Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Garde II x2
Gecko x1

Mr Mac wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:

Mission rats don't scram, they only disrupt. If you have an MJD fit, you don't need to worry about it.

They do scram. Each faction has 4 tackling frigs. 2 warp disruptors and 2 warp scramblers.

Scramblers
Angel: Arch Gistii Outlaw and Thug
Raiders: Elder Corpii Herald and Upholder
Guristas: Dire Pithi Infiltrator and Invader
Drones: Strain Infester Alvi and Splinter
Sansha: Centii Loyal Ravener and Scavenger
Serpentis: Coreli Guardian Initiate and Scout

I don't know about empire factions. I'm not killing them.


pls show me the mission where scrambs appear, i dont know of 1 standard l4 with scrambs
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-04-23 21:50:08 UTC
I wonder if they actually stop MWD and MJDs though

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Paranoid Loyd
#11 - 2015-04-23 22:06:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Mr Mac wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:

Mission rats don't scram, they only disrupt. If you have an MJD fit, you don't need to worry about it.

They do scram. Each faction has 4 tackling frigs. 2 warp disruptors and 2 warp scramblers.

Scramblers
Angel: Arch Gistii Outlaw and Arch Angel Thug
Raiders: Elder Corpii Herald and Elder Corpii Upholder
Guristas: Dire Pithi Infiltrator and Dire Pithi Invader
Drones: Strain Infester Alvi and Strain Splinter Alvi
Sansha: Centii Loyal Ravener and Centii Loyal Scavenger
Serpentis: Coreli Guardian Initiate and Coreli Guardian Scout


I don't know about empire factions. I'm not killing them.
FYP to clarify for noobs.
Hmm, never been scrammed in a mission, but Chruker's does indicate they have scrams.

OP, to be safe there is still room to carry a set of light drones if you do happen to get scrammed.

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Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
#12 - 2015-04-24 06:36:20 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
pls show me the mission where scrambs appear, i dont know of 1 standard l4 with scrambs

Some mission has but not always appear 100%
Infiltrated Outpost 4lvl has scramblers
Amarr Epic Arc has alot scramblers almost in every combat mission
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#13 - 2015-04-24 06:39:57 UTC
Use at least one Gecko in your Rattlesnake.

It is basically the same as having a High dps HAC for a drone.

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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-04-24 11:58:50 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Yeah that fit is total overkill and should not be recommended to people who don't know what they are doing.
Mission rats don't scram, they only disrupt. If you have an MJD fit, you don't need to worry about it.


Just to clarify, "Disruptors" only prevents warping where "Scramblers" prevent both warping, microwarpdrive and microjumpdrives?



And I must say that your build is very interesting. I downsized it to my current reality (T1 rigs, T1 Missiles Launchers, T1 Sentries) and its still pretty interesting.

Given my current skill set, I would have a maximum tank of 257 DPS, but with a raw shield of 24.75 K. This is a lot of buffer to get out of heated situation. With this, I have a DPS of 805. The drone range is only 59 Km but the missiles could start pounding at 86.3 Km.

Also, I was reading that to do L4 you need a Tank and Spank of 1000 DPS or more. With this build I am already at 1062 and it will only go up.
faction sentries. Cheap and equivalent stats to t2 except they dont benefit from the specialization skill
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-04-24 12:01:12 UTC
Mr Mac wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:

Mission rats don't scram, they only disrupt. If you have an MJD fit, you don't need to worry about it.

They do scram. Each faction has 4 tackling frigs. 2 warp disruptors and 2 warp scramblers.

Scramblers
Angel: Arch Gistii Outlaw and Thug
Raiders: Elder Corpii Herald and Upholder
Guristas: Dire Pithi Infiltrator and Invader
Drones: Strain Infester Alvi and Splinter
Sansha: Centii Loyal Ravener and Scavenger
Serpentis: Coreli Guardian Initiate and Scout

I don't know about empire factions. I'm not killing them.

I need video evidence that those are real scrambles and not just short range npc point that does nothing else.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-04-24 13:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: afkalt
ITT nothing but overpriced, **** poor damage appliction based madness.

Use 5x T2 cruise with fury.
A gecko, or a pair of augmented Heavy drones
2 target painters
Rigor rigs
3 DDA, 3BCU.
Prop mod for gate travel

Enjoy 1600+ DPS with a ridiculous tank slotted into the remaining gaps (I went for buffer, because facemelting DPS kinda moots the need for active tank. Also makes you much less attractive to gank too). There is no need for a single thing to be better than T2.



And no, not a single mission rat I've ever encountered stops an MJD.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-04-24 14:02:58 UTC
afkalt wrote:
ITT nothing but overpriced, **** poor damage appliction based madness.

Use 5x T2 cruise with fury.
A gecko, or a pair of augmented Heavy drones
2 target painters
Rigor rigs
3 DDA, 3BCU.
Prop mod for gate travel

Enjoy 1600+ DPS with a ridiculous tank slotted into the remaining gaps (I went for buffer, because facemelting DPS kinda moots the need for active tank. Also makes you much less attractive to gank too). There is no need for a single thing to be better than T2.



And no, not a single mission rat I've ever encountered stops an MJD.

Tp cycle time is significantly less than cruise cycle time so i think one is fine and i believe you should have one omni. Usually a full t2 fit runs out of cpu on the rattle unless you forego the dla. Which is viable to do.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-04-24 14:06:03 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
Interesting...

Lots of high-end expensive mods in your example, but I guess I could aim T2 versions for now to orient my skill training.


One question...how well does it perform with only a single hardener? I am worries as if you start a mission and get web scrambled right away you may be trapped in a very bad situation.



Yea, initiall fit looks very expensive. In my 'snake i put shield booster (200-300 million) + 2x Caldari BCS (just because insufficient CPU). Totally like 400 million of stuff.

How it performs? It is sniping fit: you warp to mission, MJD away and kill anything from 96km. Then you MJD back to gates to next room. For speed i usually MJD right from the start, MJD back to gates as soon as i can tank what's left of NPCs around. 3 minutes of cooldown period is too long when you cleaned the room in 1 minute Lol

In many missions you don't even need to MJD away: you apply like 1500 DPS up to 50 km and if NPC don't aggro..... You just kill them group by group. Shield booster is only for rare cases when you got lots of frigates right on your butt and you don't want to redeploy drones just to get them out.

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-04-24 17:17:37 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
afkalt wrote:
ITT nothing but overpriced, **** poor damage appliction based madness.

Use 5x T2 cruise with fury.
A gecko, or a pair of augmented Heavy drones
2 target painters
Rigor rigs
3 DDA, 3BCU.
Prop mod for gate travel

Enjoy 1600+ DPS with a ridiculous tank slotted into the remaining gaps (I went for buffer, because facemelting DPS kinda moots the need for active tank. Also makes you much less attractive to gank too). There is no need for a single thing to be better than T2.



And no, not a single mission rat I've ever encountered stops an MJD.

Tp cycle time is significantly less than cruise cycle time so i think one is fine and i believe you should have one omni. Usually a full t2 fit runs out of cpu on the rattle unless you forego the dla. Which is viable to do.


Using two maximises missile (fury) dps to small targets. Cpu is fine with buffer fits.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-04-24 18:00:15 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
afkalt wrote:
ITT nothing but overpriced, **** poor damage appliction based madness.

Use 5x T2 cruise with fury.
A gecko, or a pair of augmented Heavy drones
2 target painters
Rigor rigs
3 DDA, 3BCU.
Prop mod for gate travel

Enjoy 1600+ DPS with a ridiculous tank slotted into the remaining gaps (I went for buffer, because facemelting DPS kinda moots the need for active tank. Also makes you much less attractive to gank too). There is no need for a single thing to be better than T2.



And no, not a single mission rat I've ever encountered stops an MJD.

Tp cycle time is significantly less than cruise cycle time so i think one is fine and i believe you should have one omni. Usually a full t2 fit runs out of cpu on the rattle unless you forego the dla. Which is viable to do.


Using two maximises missile (fury) dps to small targets. Cpu is fine with buffer fits.
i wonder about the necessity of applying max fury to small targets as small targets dont have much hp anyway and the aug heavies should have no issue clearing anything smaller than a battlecruiser off the field in notime. What do you use for your buffer?
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