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Why does everyone (sort of) want to make GANKING easier ?
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SmegB
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#41 - 2011-12-25 20:25:09 UTC
Zenith Ginnungagap wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Just wondering.

Enlighten please........... Lol

I am pretty sure that it's just those sad lifeless social rejects who actually do such thing. Sad how lonely someones are.


He doesnt post with his main cuz hes affraid what will happen.
you got to love the tracking agents.
Salus Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-12-25 20:32:08 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Zenith Ginnungagap wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Just wondering.

Enlighten please........... Lol

I am pretty sure that it's just those sad lifeless social rejects who actually do such thing. Sad how lonely someones are.


Post with your main.





Do you perhaps think that people think suicide ganking should be easier because it is currently swayed massively in favour of the gankee? Why CCP removed insurance I will never know.


All a miner has to do is be at a keyboard to avoid a gank, and they receive insurance if they die.

If both parties are at they keyboard and neither is a massive ****** then the miner should survive every single time. There are hundreds of other preventative measures the miner can take to avoid ever being in this situation as well.


I honestly can't argue with them taking insurance away from gankers, its a realistic model, if you drive off in your car after commiting a string of murders, and it gets totaled while your running from the cops, the Insurance Company does payout, and in a game that trumpets its value in realism, why would you expect any less?
Valei Khurelem
#43 - 2011-12-25 20:35:32 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Valei Khurelem wrote:
They're pussies who don't want a fair fight.


Only a suicidal individual would want a fair fight.


I like taking on three at once myself in games like counter-strike, that makes it more fair for them :D

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#44 - 2011-12-25 20:37:00 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:

If both parties are at they keyboard and neither is a massive ****** then the miner should survive every single time. There are hundreds of other preventative measures the miner can take to avoid ever being in this situation as well.



Exactly. I mine/mission 50-50 and it's been a year since a Gank for me. They are avoidable 99.9% of the time.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#45 - 2011-12-25 20:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Check Battleclinic or whatever and search for Toons with high Hulk and Mack losses.

In fact, this sounds like a fun project for an alt tonight......

Or, what the heck. It's boring watching my security at 5.0. More interesting when it climbs at least.Twisted

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#46 - 2011-12-25 20:58:12 UTC  |  Edited by: IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Salus Amatin wrote:
I honestly can't argue with them taking insurance away from gankers, its a realistic model, if you drive off in your car after commiting a string of murders, and it gets totaled while your running from the cops, the Insurance Company does payout, and in a game that trumpets its value in realism, why would you expect any less?


Salus Amatin wrote:
I honestly can't argue with them taking insurance away from gankers, its a realistic model,


Salus Amatin wrote:
its a realistic model,


Salus Amatin wrote:
realistic model


Welcome to eve, not it is not.


Do you think a real company would payout insurance to someone who leeroys a battleship through low sec unscouted?

Do you think a real company would payout insurance to someone who fits his dread with a large armor repper?

Do you think a real company would insure a cyno kessie?


Eve does not trumpet its value in realism.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#47 - 2011-12-25 21:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Welcome to eve, not it is not.


Do you think a real company would payout insurance to someone who leeroys a battleship through low sec unscouted?

Do you think a real company would payout insurance to someone who fits his dread with a large armor repper?

Do you think a real company would insure a cyno kessie?


Eve does not trumpet its value in realism.



Arrangements for equivalent situations can indeed be made with Real Life Insurance companies.

They even insured Marilyn Monroe's legs for $1,500,000 1950's Dollars and she took a blade to them everyday................

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-12-25 21:14:55 UTC
a real company would lawl at you for doing the equivalent of leaving your car unlocked with keys in the ignition in the worst part of town, that is, AFK mining in a system with numerous ganks in the past hour

a real company would also laugh at you for blowing up your own car and trying to claim insurance on it

get out of here with this realism crap, this is a space game where the ships move more like submarines and where landing a ship right next to the sun isn't going to fry you at all, and there is apparently no gravity

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-12-25 21:16:01 UTC
why are miners such entitled babies?????

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#50 - 2011-12-25 21:18:36 UTC
Yes I'm sure real insurance companies payout about 4X the money they receive from premiums. (number from an economic report about isk sinks / facets)
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#51 - 2011-12-25 22:00:36 UTC
At least you have insurance from a real life perspective on insurance. usually only the rich have it, so only the rich gankers and miners could afford and no one else.

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2011-12-25 22:03:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
why are miners such entitled babies?????


because they cant fight back and are continuously abused ??
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2011-12-26 02:05:05 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Andski wrote:
why are miners such entitled babies?????


because they cant fight back and are continuously abused ??

Sure they can and no they aren't.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#54 - 2011-12-26 15:52:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Andski wrote:
why are miners such entitled babies?????



Why are Gankers such entitled babies ????

Takes MONTHS to get into a Hulk, and Gankers can POP in DAYS.


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"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#55 - 2011-12-26 15:54:19 UTC
rodyas wrote:
At least you have insurance from a real life perspective on insurance. usually only the rich have it, so only the rich gankers and miners could afford and no one else.



Erm, I'm not rich and I have insurance.................where on Earth do you live where it is 'for the rich'?

Just a curious statement that needs some clarification if you are going to make such pronouncements on the Forum.......

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#56 - 2011-12-26 16:35:56 UTC
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CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2011-12-26 16:45:48 UTC
SmegB wrote:


Your right we should take all the mean stuff in eve and float it down the river of tears that has been created by people that cry about dieing. Hear is one fact that may upset you carebears. EVE would not be still in business if they did not allow people to shoot each other.




I really don't think thats true. I would happily pay double for a PVE version of Eve. Balancing a PVE server would be cake. Add more NPC's and keep cranking up their difficulty until you got a stable economy. Hell you could even have random NPC fleets attack POS's and any other player owned or operated structure.

Don't violence me bro!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#58 - 2011-12-26 17:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Pillowtalk wrote:
SmegB wrote:


Your right we should take all the mean stuff in eve and float it down the river of tears that has been created by people that cry about dieing.

I really don't think thats true. I would happily pay double for a PVE version of Eve. Balancing a PVE server would be cake. Add more NPC's and keep cranking up their difficulty until you got a stable economy. Hell you could even have random NPC fleets attack POS's and any other player owned or operated structure.



Notice the language they use like "river of tears'. My God, I love literature and wordplay, but these quasi-religious histrionics really show the truly insane picture here.

Anyway, I'm not sure what a solution to all of it is, but a non-PVP region or 2 might be the solution.

Sometimes, people just want to actually 'relax after work casually' in a game and that should be a part of a sandbox.

It's not crying about dying (learn how to spell SmegB), it's being 'involuntarily engaged'.


I believe that is called R A P E.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2011-12-26 17:09:15 UTC
SmegB wrote:

Your right we should take all the mean stuff in eve and float it down the river of tears that has been created by people that cry about dieing. Hear is one fact that may upset you carebears. EVE would not be still in business if they did not allow people to shoot each other.

bad thing is: suicide ganker isn't much more than "a bit more danger rat". NPC rats can do suicide gank easily. So there is no real difference for gankee.

I lost some hulks to occasional "too heavy" rat spawns. And i lost ships to gankers. Didn't feel the difference.Big smile

So for carebear side players-gankers aren't needed at all. Their role can be taken by rats should CCP make rats more smart and danger.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#60 - 2011-12-26 17:14:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
March rabbit wrote:

I lost some hulks to occasional "too heavy" rat spawns. And i lost ships to gankers. Didn't feel the difference.Big smile



I HOPE to GOD you lost those in Null.......................

lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882