Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As do I, but I think bringing the warp speed a bit closer to cruisers would solve at least one interim aspect of Battleships.

What James said is correct.



What do you people think of this idea?

Yes, I agree that it started way back with the change from 90% to 60% Stasis webifiers, among other things.

However, more slots for Neuts would render Battleships more effective, as seen in the case of drone boats which don't have to sacrifice DPS for this most essential utility tool against cruisers. A Highslot battleship-only Stasis webifier with Officer web ranges would also be a pleasant addition.

To point out, 1 logi will out rep three rail megathron equipped for damage. That issue is not with battleships but with logistics being overpowered.

I agree with Baltec here. You may want to look at it this way, one logi is no problem but 2x logi makes ships indestructable at least in small gangs.

The risk vs reward is out of whack by a margin there.

I am somewhat leery of any idea which changes the fittings so radically, and for only one class. I also worry about the ships with 7 turrets being seriously over or under powered if this isn't taken into account (looking squarely at the megathron and machariel). It probably also forces a fittings change on several battleships so that you can't get an octuple plated abbadon or other really messed up scary fits.

On the upside, it would bring a sharp uptick in reasons to bring battleships, even if it is at the expense of some of the better ships right now. But imagine if this logic continued through onto the existing 100% damage bonused hulls.....


Cut logi effectiveness by about a third, such that 1 logi = 1 blaster mega's max output. Makes it so there are reasons to fly brawl ships, as you can just brute force through reps if you can bring even 1 more DPS than they bring logi.




As for logi being softer, sorta.... They may have less EHP, but they have very high resists, low signatures for cruisers (if AB fit) and generally have really good damage mitigation, making them almost unbreakable once they begin receiving RR.

As for self sufficient throns outfighting even numbers of a well balanced fleet comp that includes logi, never gonna happen. RR scales all the way up until the alpha of the opposing fleet exceeds the size of the total primary tanking buffer, while local reps can not do so (outside hilariously borked EFT-only abominations like the officer lows to get a stable capital shield booster on a maelstrom)

It's in human nature to seek the most return in exchange for the least effort.

If we were to diminish the capabilities of logi, which may not be a bad idea at all, then we would need to balance that somehow.

Perhaps if we limited how many ships could lock onto each hull size, so a BS only needed to worry about a limited number of ships for an alpha.

I also like to see results from my efforts, but at the same time I don't want to pop in the first 20 seconds of an encounter either.

Taking the Megathron with 7 Turrets as an example:

Mega has 7 * (1 / (1 - 0.25 RoF bonus)) = 9.33 Effective turrets, by reducing the Turret hardpoint count to 4, we get 5.33 Effective turrets, so to compensate that, a 75% Role damage bonus brings it back to 9.33.



Indeed.

Which is as it should be.
Statement was much more intended as a preemptive ward against purely blanket changes which would have pushed the mega into vindicator DPS levels, or the mach breaking 1.2k DPS with it's guns.

It's not good or bad but just stupid to give such tool to some doctrine while it is absolutely impossible to replicate with anything else but drone fleet because they can't reach the same number of locks available. Any BS without 2 utility high won't reach the 12 target cap which is way beyond what you would need to follow basic fleet target calls who would probably stop at 4 if not before that.

important : I made a misstake, it's auto-targetting systems that are needed not passive one but the problem is still there. Turret and missile ship absolutely can't counter this unless they sacrifice their DPS.