Ships & Modules

Hello all,

I am sure somewhere down the line this has already been brought up, but i didnt see it so here i am ;)

I have only one question. When will ccp fix command ship training as well as command ships themselves.

Command ships used to have such a strong presence however,and now next to the Sliepnir i find just about any other CS can be soloed by a T3 or even a well piloted T2 cruiser. This really doesn't make much sense considering the role these ships are meant to play.

CCP has also stuck both the Combat & Field Command ships under the same training/class umbrella. This also makes no sense. Why should you need to train all leadership skills to 5 to fly a Combat command ship? This ship is designed for brawling. I also dont think a Field command should need to train every leadership skill 5, though helpful of coarse this is again laziness on CCP's part.

Each Field CS should only need to train the specific leadership skill it gets a bonus for, for example ( The Eos gets a bonus to Armor & Skirmish links so the pilot should only need to train Armor and skirmish warfare Lv 5 ) This in turn means a little less training for said ship but also forces the pilot to decide which ship is the one they will want/need the most first.

The Combat CS needs not only stronger bonus's *excluding the Sliepnir* but a different training plan then a Field CS as they are in truth meant to be two completely different ships. I am sad that CCP just white labeled CS's and made them all the same instead of putting some effort into making them better.

I would love to see some life put back into these ships. I also hope im not the only person that thinks this....


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Well, look on the brightside. Once you go through the training, all other CS are just a couple week train. Instead of a month or 2.

Im currently training CS (not for link duty). The training time is alil long.. but nothing a remap couldnt bring inline. Went from a 60+ day train, down to like a 35 day train. So alittle over a month, and i can use links and several race's CS. Not bad considering BS 5 takes around 25 days with no implants.

I think its best to suck it up and train it to get it over with. And dont forget about those remaps! I know once im done, im remapping back for combat skills.

Also, vulture, claymore, and nighthawk arent horrible. They just arent brawling beasts like ac slep. NH gets close to 1k dps, and vulture has a lot of range/tank to work with. Plus MMJD is awesome.

that is how it used to be with separate training plans and stuff. and a few rank 2 skills to 5 isn't much of a burden. meh

I will agree that some of the CS could use a little love.

I can fly all command ships and don't have the required leadership skills, you jelly?

They used to be easier to get into. And I can fly all of them because I had Battle Cruisers to 5 before they split the skill.

I have never found a need for them, the highthawk has always been sub par and not worth the cost as a drake does OK, bonus's are still easier if you use a T3 and I haven't flown my sliepner since they turned it in to an ugly cane :(

Do we still loosing SP's upon pop up? I thought they fixed it.

Lets have a look at a few things, the training time has not significantly changed, the time for a new player to get into any specific Command ship is now pretty much the same. Even when compared to what the pre-reqs were before.

Also I think you should read the skill descriptions for the Warfare skills required for the command ships.

Siege Warfere - Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' shield capacity per skill level.
Skirmish Warfare - Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' agility per skill level.
Information Warfare - Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' targeting range per skill level.
Armored Warfare - Grants a 2% bonus to fleet members' armor hit points per skill level.

So in other words, the fleet support ships now assume that the pilots actually have leadership skills.
I mean what fleet booster wouldn't want 10% better Shield HP, Armor HP, Agility and Targeting range for the fleet.
I meant even Orca/Rorq pilots would want those skills to boost their fleets.

Now if the ship had required the Specialization version of the four leadership skills your point would have been valid.

Above all remember that Command Ships are meant to be in a Fleet and not solo :)

now all command ships are both viable for combat and/or boosting, we dont have anymore 2 different classes of CS hence the skill reqs.
about CS needin some love maybe you are right but they still are an improvement over T2 cruiser tank/spank wise, so they have their role and a reason to be used.

Everyone should know that if you're active tanked and use turrets and are very cap dependant, that you are in big trouble when a Curse lands.

This doesn't mean that any active ship with turrets is bad per se.
It just means you should watch out.
Which is a bit harder now since Curses don't show on D-Scan, of course.