EVE New Citizens Q&A

I have a choice:

• Go the route of the Mining Barge, Retriever. This will net ~8mil. ISK/h
• Go the route of ninja Gas Mining in the Venture. This can potentially net ~20mil. ISK/h

I'd like to go the route of ninja gas mining, and have done a lot of looking into it. The only problem is, I don't know how viable this actually is. I've read a lot of talk about it, but can't find any statements regarding the likelihood of:

a) Actually finding valuable gas.
b) Surviving long enough to mine that gas.
c) Surviving the trip back.

If there's a high chance that Venture gas mining won't work, then I'd rather not do it (it'd end up in me spending 24mil. to train the skill, spending another 10mil. to fit a Venture, getting it blown up, then having to mine the money back).

How viable do you folks think ninja mining in a Venture actually is?

60m per Venture of C50. Yeah, it's viable. Day tripping in wormholes, huffing C50 is easy ISK.

Go in through low sec, your chance of finding an empty hole is much higher.

I was D-scanning like mad, following all the rules, wasting most of my time scouting out several wormholes before even trying to harvest in one.I just don't want to waste another day throwing money at getting blown up again without any return. It's difficult for me to raise 10m just to refit something; it takes me hours.

I feel like I've been duped. I am filled with rage.

It's ok. That's nice of you, but don't worry about it. I'll make everything back in a bit.

It's natural to be annoyed when you spend a lot of time doing something, and it turns out to not work. I was just stomping my feet a little.

No, not duped at all. D-scan, GTFO skills and, most importantly, situational awareness. These will get you what you need to vacuum space gas. Well, those and patience. Patience enough to track down a good wormhole. Patience enough to scout it for a day or 3 and bookmark the living hell out of it. Patience enough to watch your game and not try to AFK. EVER.

I guess patience is most important.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormhole_Gas_Sites

and

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Gas_Cloud_Mining

Study them, if you haven't already.

If you find a nice WH it may be worthwhile sitting in there with your scanning ship cloaked for a while to gather intel, particularly with regards to when they're active. Other sources of info are corp descriptions, some corps advertise their TZ in their corp description or recruitment threads and killboards can give you an idea of when they play.

I used to spelunk for sleepers and didn't bother pillaging any sites unless I knew there was a good chance the occupants were asleep or at work.

OP... use this kind of fit:

[Venture, New Setup 1]
Warp Core Stabilizer I

1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I

Hornet EC-300 x2


NOTES:

- if you can't fit Tech 2 stuff, that is okay. Just find and fit the highest equipment you can reasonably purchase

- always keep in motion... never stand still. Orbit anything as close as you can to the object you are mining (jettison a single item from your cargo to create such an object if you have to).

- teach yourself how to impulsively warp to something if someone appears near / next to you (this does require you to fiddle with your overview a bit so you have all the warpable objects you need to click and mash buttons for)

- the tank and drones are there to buy you time. The Afterburner is there in case someone double-scrams you... which is the only way to keep you from warping**





**FYI #1: the Venture has an inherent warp immunity of +2... which means it will require 3 warp disruptors or 2 warp scramblers to prevent you from escaping.
With the added warp core stabilizer, you have +3 warp immunity... which means it will require 4 warp disruptors or 2 warp scramblers to prevent you from escaping.

FYI #2: Warp Disruptors and Warp Disruption Bubbles (see: AoE Warp disruptors) will not affect any propulsion module you fit. However a Warp Scrambler can shut down a Microwarpdrive even if you have enough warp core "immunity" to counter it.
Afterburners are immune to everything except stasis webifiers.

Simplest solution is to join a corporation that uses/lives inside a wormhole.

Any sites/connections will be scanned down within minutes of them spawning and you will have other people also spamming dscan.

I saw from an earlier post you don't really want to join a player corp but sometimes a small compromise and a bunch of friends will make Eve life much easier.

Stay relaxed and have fun outsmarting the bad guys fella.

Peace. xxx

I spent something like 8 hours yesterday roaming the depths of null-sec, finding a wormhole (I'm terrible at scanning, apparently), finding gas within that wormhole; then getting locked in, roaming chains of wormholes connecting to other wormholes with a 20-mil. cargo until I found one that miraculously popped out in High Sec, kind of close to where I wanted to go to sell. It was a huge endeavor; I ran from a lot of people and a lot of sleepers.

If I just stayed steady in a Retriever, I probably would have made more than twice that amount.

But I'd gas harvest over piloting a Retriever any day of the week, ever.

(I also found a new home deep in Null-Sec. I'll have to slowly move my other **** over.)