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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#121 - 2015-04-17 15:19:16 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Miss Dallocort wrote:
I did make a support ticket to see what the GM would say but he said it was fine for them to continue it forever if they wanted. I was just asking on the forums to get some other peoples opinions.



They're playing the game in accordance with the rules, and that is not a matter of opinion.

If they want to keep you decced for the next decade, that's okay.


I always find people with questions like the OP to be odd, as if they didn't know what game they were playing at all. It's like someone being on a soccer field wondering why all the ball kicking and flopping was going on lol.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#122 - 2015-04-17 15:27:36 UTC
"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?"
Miss Dallocort
Doomheim
#123 - 2015-04-17 15:29:50 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?"



While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#124 - 2015-04-17 15:47:18 UTC
Miss Dallocort wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?"



While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running.



Well, no, it's not like that because that scenario would not be within the rules of soccer, whereas a huge corp stomping you across New Eden indefinitely is absolutely within the rules of Eve.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#125 - 2015-04-17 15:58:29 UTC
Miss Dallocort wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?"



While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running.

I declared war on The Marmite Collective this year.

We're winning, by a huge margin. They outnumber us about 5 to 1.

Please stop citing member counts as if it actually has any bearing on anything.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#126 - 2015-04-17 15:59:05 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Miss Dallocort wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?"



While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running.



Well, no, it's not like that because that scenario would not be within the rules of soccer, whereas a huge corp stomping you across New Eden indefinitely is absolutely within the rules of Eve.
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Damn, I wish I'd said that, that's perfect.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#127 - 2015-04-17 16:00:16 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Miss Dallocort wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?"



While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running.

I declared war on The Marmite Collective this year.

We're winning, by a huge margin. They outnumber us about 5 to 1.

Please stop citing member counts as if it actually has any bearing on anything.


It's just easier to be a powerless victim than it is to fight back and risk losing lol. As in game, so in real life unfortunately for too many.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#128 - 2015-04-17 16:49:05 UTC
Actually, I'd love something like wardeccing fees scaling depending on the area for aggression you specify. So for example, only one pipe of systems should be a lower cost than declaring war on anyone everywhere.

So taking that as an example, wardeccing a corp in only one system should be nearly free of charge, wardeccing them in a pipe of maybe 10-20 systems should be about the current costs, and deccing them in all of high would be slightly more expensive than currently. It would give a lot of reason to make a conflict local and drastically reduce the needed investment to only clear POSes in 2-3 systems or keep competing miners out of a couple belts in *your* homesystem.

Of course, that's just my opinion.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#129 - 2015-04-17 17:46:16 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Actually, I'd love something like wardeccing fees scaling depending on the area for aggression you specify. So for example, only one pipe of systems should be a lower cost than declaring war on anyone everywhere.

So taking that as an example, wardeccing a corp in only one system should be nearly free of charge, wardeccing them in a pipe of maybe 10-20 systems should be about the current costs, and deccing them in all of high would be slightly more expensive than currently. It would give a lot of reason to make a conflict local and drastically reduce the needed investment to only clear POSes in 2-3 systems or keep competing miners out of a couple belts in *your* homesystem.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

Sorry, but what keeps literally anyone from simply moving over a few jumps, then?

Your idea doesn't make sense.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#130 - 2015-04-17 18:04:56 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
keep competing miners out of a couple belts in *your* homesystem.

Except nobody does this because declaring war on anyone for any reason is a horrible idea if you're not a dedicated PVP entity.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#131 - 2015-04-17 18:20:18 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
keep competing miners out of a couple belts in *your* homesystem.

Except nobody does this because declaring war on anyone for any reason is a horrible idea if you're not a dedicated PVP entity.
Don't tell me what to do!




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Trajan Unknown
State War Academy
Caldari State
#132 - 2015-04-17 18:24:30 UTC
Just a general tip that might have been posted here already so my apologies if I repost something.

Why you not figure out where these people operate and get more flexible by going somewhere else and rebuild your little indy coorp there? I mean, when you have all your stuff and your area of operation in one system or one constellation it becomes easy to disturb or completely shut you down.
I personally wouldn´t even think about harassment I mean ransom people in EvE is popular and wide spread by a lot of people and the only case that I hurt of where it is harassment is, when you shut down the other ones choices. You have the choice to pay the ransom maybe they will come back a month or two month later and do the same again, maybe they won´t - who knows? :)
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2015-04-17 20:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
Miss Dallocort wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?"



While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running.


The Soccer ('Real' Football) analogy is kind of funny for me. In grade school, 4th grade or so, at recess a bunch of kids would play soccer but it was more like eve online null capital battles. It was always like 20vs.20 unorganized.

And your boot thing is funny because I liked wearing work boot like shoes to school. And one time I accidentally kicked a kid in the ankle while going for the ball. The weren't steel toes but probably felt about the same getting kicked by them. Boy was he mad.

I don't think anyone ever kept score but when the bell rang both sides would chant 'we won, we won' on their way into the building. That can sort of reflect the ganker mentality.

Oh look at that I just created content by socializing. Big smile
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#134 - 2015-04-17 20:55:12 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Miss Dallocort wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?"



While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running.


The Soccer ('Real' Football) analogy is kind of funny for me. In grade school, 4th grade or so, at recess a bunch of kids would play soccer but it was more like eve online null capital battles. It was always like 20vs.20 unorganized.

And your boot thing is funny because I liked wearing work boot like shoes to school. And one time I accidentally kicked a kick in the ankle while going for the ball. The weren't steel toes but probably felt about the same getting kicked by them. Boy was he mad.

I don't think anyone ever kept score but when the bell rang both sides would chant 'we won, we won' on their way into the building. That can sort of reflect the ganker mentality.

Oh look at that I just created content by socializing. Big smile

YAY \o/ :D
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#135 - 2015-04-17 21:15:44 UTC
*sighs*


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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#136 - 2015-04-17 21:17:37 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Well, no, it's not like that because that scenario would not be within the rules of soccer, whereas a huge corp stomping you across New Eden indefinitely is absolutely within the rules of Eve.

Except.... It's actually not within the rules of EVE to do it indefinitely across the whole of New Eden if you are stomping them (Rather than a mutual fight).

There is a point at which actions become harassment, and that's when the target has made significant efforts to leave from being a target and you still are specifically following them.
I.E. They would have to move regions and change corps in this case. And if the new perma wardec then followed them after they have done that, they then start to have a case for harassment, since it obviously isn't economic warfare, or a particular market hub location, as they have actually taken serious steps and are no longer in the same markets.
Till they bother doing that though, absolutely, they take whatever happens. (Assuming it's not the Wardeccer themselves drumming up ransoms)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#137 - 2015-04-17 21:28:47 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

Except.... It's actually not within the rules of EVE to do it indefinitely across the whole of New Eden if you are stomping them (Rather than a mutual fight).


Yes, it is. It's not harassment just because they're losing, carebear.

Don't believe me? Drop a line to the GMs, see what they say.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#138 - 2015-04-17 21:38:43 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Yes, it is. It's not harassment just because they're losing, carebear.

Don't believe me? Drop a line to the GMs, see what they say.

Except CCP have directly clarified that if you take serious attempts to avoid it, and the person continues repeatedly it does become Harassment, so no, in this case you are wrong.

Or rather you are right in what you said, but utterly wrong in responding to me, because I didn't say it's harassment because they are losing, and you didn't bother actually reading what I said.

If they attempt to avoid it, by closing the corp, moving significantly and joining another corp, and they are still being perma targeted by the same PLAYERS, and that part is important as CCP also clarified using other alts does not make it ok, then they start to have a case for harassment.

If they try and sit in the same system playing the same markets and wonder why they keep getting shot at on exactly the same gate, then sure it's not harassment no matter how long it goes on for, because they have taken no effort themselves.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#139 - 2015-04-17 21:42:55 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

Except CCP have directly clarified that if you take serious attempts to avoid it, and the person continues repeatedly it does become Harassment, so no, in this case you are wrong.


Wrong.

If you keep ducking wars and want to call harassment, they're going to ask you why you're in a player corp in the first place.

Wars are never harassment.

Like I said, if you want to know the truth, you can ask. You won't, because you refuse to do anything that might challenge your narrative that PvP is "griefing" and "harassment".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#140 - 2015-04-17 22:08:08 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Complete and utter fantasy drivel.

See, that's what get's me going... People like you climbing on their high horse - Unicorn is more aptly fitting - not held back by lack of facts or evidence of their 'fantasy du jour' and argue with people who know every single thing better....

I don't mind for the people in the know but would someone please think of the children/noobs?!

I'll prove you wrong. Just wait.

D.

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