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Ship suggestion for blitizing L4 missions - preferably Caldari/Amarr

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Aya Silverye
MRERR
#1 - 2015-04-14 12:01:38 UTC
Hallo,
I returned to the game after a long time - my last active period I was only training skills didn't have time to play at all and now I find that every bit of knowledge, fitting, etc that I took to be absolute are gone due to all the rebalancing done during the last 6-8 months. So I am here asking for help in choosing ships for 1) L4 mission blitzing - no salvaging in Caldair/Amarr hi-sec 2) running anoms against Sansha in null sec. For now I have a raven and can manage to somehow buy and fit a ship for about 800-900 mill.

My skilset can be seen here : http://eveboard.com/pilot/Aya_Silverye

My skillset is a bit spread out since this is my first character but I primarily trained missile and laser skills since I usually operate out of Amarr null sec. I intend to run L4's without salvaging (read in forums that it's not profitable anymore after changes) in Caldari/Amarr hi-sec and cosmic anoms in null sec. My Core/Support skills are reasonably high leveled especially power/cpu so I can manage tight fits.

Also, is it still faster to gain reputation by L2/L3's or has that also changed?



Thank you in advance for all your help!
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-04-14 12:13:35 UTC
I use a combination of ships. An Executioner with a Micro Warp Drive, a Paladin, Tachyon Oracle, and a Stabber fleet issue (could easily be Aug Navy or Nomen). The executioner is used for missions such as The Recon, or Cargo Delivery. I use the SFI for other pick ups missions where there is actual DPS or I have to shoot soething... Recon p3, The Anomoly come to mind.

The oracle is used for missions where I need to kill 1-2 thing sand get out such as Eliminate the Pirate Slavers and Duo of Death. The paladin is used for The Blockade (I can hit near incursion level ISK from this) and Pirate Invasion, both single room warp ins with no gates.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#3 - 2015-04-14 13:28:27 UTC
Looking at your skills, I would recommend a Raven for now, and a Raven Navy Issue after you get some isk. If you work on your laser skills, a Nightmare would be a nice higher end ship if you continue to train Cladari and Amarr BS skills. If you want to work toward a long term goal, I would recommend a Paladin.
Aya Silverye
MRERR
#4 - 2015-04-14 14:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Aya Silverye
@Estella Osoka and Daerrol - Thank you I just checked out those ships and a lot of forums and topics. I feel that for the price range I am seeing - hull about 500 mill and total cost less than 900mill - the best L4 mission ships/anomaly runners are Nightmare (only against Blood and Sansha) or Rattlesnake (missiles/drones/massive tank to prevent ganking in mission/null sec).

Though I have one last question - are my drone skills enough to use a drone boat for L4 missions or Null sec anomaly hunting?
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-04-14 20:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Daerrol
Aya Silverye wrote:
@Estella Osoka and Daerrol - Thank you I just checked out those ships and a lot of forums and topics. I feel that for the price range I am seeing - hull about 500 mill and total cost less than 900mill - the best L4 mission ships/anomaly runners are Nightmare (only against Blood and Sansha) or Rattlesnake (missiles/drones/massive tank to prevent ganking in mission/null sec).

Though I have one last question - are my drone skills enough to use a drone boat for L4 missions or Null sec anomaly hunting?

Rattlesnake is not a -great- blitzer. Mostly I blitz in my Executioner and a cruiser. ABC (oracle) hull. Blitzing usually refers to missions you can do in a matter of minutes, rattlesnake esp. is more of a bounty-collection ship (IE: Warp in, kill all the rats.) When I blitz I mission I try to shoot as few times as possible ;)

Edit: This is what Mission Blitzing looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OErbAASTZw8
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#6 - 2015-04-14 20:42:39 UTC
Aya Silverye wrote:
@Estella Osoka and Daerrol - Thank you I just checked out those ships and a lot of forums and topics. I feel that for the price range I am seeing - hull about 500 mill and total cost less than 900mill - the best L4 mission ships/anomaly runners are Nightmare (only against Blood and Sansha) or Rattlesnake (missiles/drones/massive tank to prevent ganking in mission/null sec).

Though I have one last question - are my drone skills enough to use a drone boat for L4 missions or Null sec anomaly hunting?


They aren't abysmal, but for a Rattlesnake your drone skills really won't shine until you can use T2 sentries and have Gallente BS skill to at least 4.
Aya Silverye
MRERR
#7 - 2015-04-14 22:42:09 UTC
@ Daerrol Mmmm...okay I thought bltizing and quickly killing all bounties was the same. Thanks for the heads up now I know what I want. I want to clear out all the bounties as quickly as possible for isk. Though my drone skills are not yet at that high T2 level.

@ Estella Osoka - thanks for the heads up - I have been meaning to get that sentry to T2 but for a long time but one thing after another keeps popping up lol...I have decided I wills start full scale drone training...get all my relevant skills to V asap. Going to train in using drones with a drone cruiser/BC...do you have any suggestion for that? need a training drone boat.
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#8 - 2015-04-15 09:15:14 UTC
BC / cruiser and drones: this would be gallente ships. Vexor, navy vexor or ishtar with cruiser V.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-04-15 09:54:24 UTC
Aya Silverye wrote:
Rattlesnake (missiles/drones/massive tank to prevent ganking in mission/null sec).


they dont really prevent ganking, a fleet of blops will tear anything apart in nullsec but if you have been doing it already pretty safe then you may be ok for a while, have you tried a tengu? being able to fit covops and interdiction nullifier will help for moveing through null systems and they are a little safer than faction bs's

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Selune Starlight
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-04-15 10:04:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Selune Starlight
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Aya Silverye
MRERR
#11 - 2015-04-15 10:06:06 UTC
@Aplysia Vejun : Gallente ships are the best droneboats but is it okay to use them without Hybrid weapon skills? Thats the only thing I am worried about. Also, is it possible to get a fit for the Vexor and Ishtar? (especially Ishtar). I have heard everyone praising this little cruiser very much in-game and in the forums so I am pretty curious about it.

@Lan Wang : True - a fleet of gankers can kill anything big but they also trip the Intel channels like a midday streaker at Times Square :) so we all dock up before they come within 3 jumps. Usually the ones that are dangerous and I am really worried about are those skilled lone wolf players who calmly infiltrate any space and blow stuff up quickly. I have lost quite a bit of ships to these people. So a rattlesnake puts me at ease in that regard.

I do want a Tengu but I am still skilling up and earning ISK for it. It's quite expensive with all the fits and most of all - it requires quite a bit of skill to fly. I borrowed and flew one before - it was really hard to prevent damage while inflicting maximum dmg on the enemy.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-04-15 10:14:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
i use my tengu for most things and take very little damage, they can be t2 fit with only a a-type repper being the expensive mod, bringing the price to much lower than a rattlesnake fitted, with a tengu the speed is the tank so make sure its afterburner fit, good fun though

ishtar is also fine ship, no guns required (highs have neuts incase or pesky, t2 or faction sentries and they work fine, i used one in null for a while doing serpentis missions till i was bubble ganked by the locals (not really an expensive loss tbh but i dont fly blingy stuff in nullsec)

its the hotdropper cloaky alts that are the issue really as they dont show on intel, but if you dont mission or run sites in populated systems you should be fine

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Aya Silverye
MRERR
#13 - 2015-04-15 12:24:19 UTC
@ Lan Wang - Tengu with HAM's is atleast 50 days away from me. I am curious to see how the new HAM Tengu performs.

As for the Ishtar - I don't think I will use it since it requires me to train Gallente which I haven't done except for the Gallente BC's. Going to try either the Vexor or the Prophecy from Amarr.

Regarding less populated missioning systems I have been searching and scouting the locations for a while but no luck...almost all L4's agent and missions systems are fully populated - so trying for minor NPC corps now. Since they have out of the way bases, hopefully it will have fewer players.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#14 - 2015-04-15 14:26:00 UTC
I personally don't use expensive ships for nullsec mission running. Dominix works fine, is cheap, and with good drone skills gets nice dps.
Aya Silverye
MRERR
#15 - 2015-04-15 14:29:13 UTC
@Estella Same here I primarily use basic T1 ships for null sec. The ships and fittings I am asking about here are for hi-sec L4 mission running.
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#16 - 2015-04-17 01:46:31 UTC
User a nighmare to run lvl4's. If you don't have the isk use a raven, on navy raven or navy scorp.
You can use it in null also, just depends where you are and if you hold sov and what anoms you plan on running.

... What next ??

Duke Karas
P47
#17 - 2015-04-17 04:02:36 UTC
Aya Silverye wrote:
@Estella Same here I primarily use basic T1 ships for null sec. The ships and fittings I am asking about here are for hi-sec L4 mission running.


Maybe try a Prophecy. Amarr drone BC

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2015-04-17 06:06:40 UTC
tengu is super boring imo, and a pita to fly. Heavy missiles do meh dps, and HAMS have short range and cycle super fast.

looks like you can use t2 large lasers, so I'd go with the nightmare. That deals very well with most missions in caldari/amarr space. and probably keep a secondary ship around for the few missions where damage mismatch is a pita, looks like you can raven somewhat decently, although with BS3 I'd much prefer a navy raven.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Aya Silverye
MRERR
#19 - 2015-04-17 07:44:46 UTC
@GordonO - Initially I also want to progress in that order - T1 ships (200 million hulls) to Navy variants (500 million hulls) to Pirate Ships (1bil+). But with all the new changes and massive drop in Pirate BS price (all of them are around 500 mill now and Rattlesnake is only 350 mil) I thought I should just skip the Navy variations and get Pirate Ships since they have better bonuses and abilities.

For now I am looking at a fully fit Rattlesnake at 550 mil as a start. It's has good dps, damage switching ability and great tank so that I don't lose my ship due to a mistake. Going to earn for a Nightmare from there on. Playing purely with missiles is boring.

@Duke Karas - Prophecy is good. I am using one now to get a hang of using Drone boats in battle. But my Drone skills are still not at that peak level - have to get Sentry and many support skills to V which will take atleast another 2-3 months. So only using it for L3's now. But like you suggested I will move it to L4 commissioning when I am fully trained.

@Chainsaw Plankton - Like you said, I am starting with a fully fitted Rattlesnake and will get a Nightmare later on. My T3 skills are also in queque and so the Tengu is not in my immediate purchase list.

Duke Karas
P47
#20 - 2015-04-17 17:09:50 UTC
You could move to an Armageddon for L4s
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