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Marsha Mallow
#21 - 2015-04-16 19:38:21 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:
You think the majority of Eve players own more than 100 billion in assets? Or do you not have the same definition of "lower middle class" as I do?

No. Long term players with a brain probably do in assets and wallet, plus their characters which should always be counted.

Amarrchecko wrote:
It seems like a lot of you are reading into my post too much. I really am not too interested in changing what I do, hearing about how mining is a profession for peasants, or really receiving any kind of advice at all, since I didn't try to solicit any. I'm just wondering what approximate percentage of people actually make 200m+ per hour of active playtime.

Well, since you asked so politely, I just made a hand gesture at you which explains everything you need to know.

o7

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Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-04-16 19:38:56 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
it's irrelevant.


It's irrelevant to... what?

Cause, ya know, I asked the question specifically. So the answer to that question is actually quite relevant in this thread.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#23 - 2015-04-16 19:39:12 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
The trick is to find the right balance for yourself between 'Making lots of Isk' and 'Making lots of fun'.
Some players are really having fun while going all the way and through a lot of effort to find the optimum in (insert activity here) for their maximum Isk/hour ratio, while others are equally having as much fun doing something entirely different while always on the edge of bankruptcy.

The tipping point is different for everyone and for you to find out were yours lies. The thing is, making/having fun should always be on top of the list, above making Isk.



i'm a perfect exsample of this. I ran two alliances, both the same way. I tended to do all the boring task, like diplomacy, recruit, run pos', etc. I always had just enough isk to buy what i wanted at the time, but never enough to get something big. Like i need a BS i can get and fit that, but a nyx? that was laughable.

I was poor, never cleared 1b isk in this game, for the first 6 years i played.

Everyone else in corp got money, and i did not. Every other ceo in my alliance got isk, i did not. I decided, and still believe this, that my idea of fun is creating an enviorment for my members to have fun.

My corps and alliances were WAY too laid back, but they worked at the time.

So yea, you have to decide what you find fun. And sometimes decideing between fun and isk is the question

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Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2015-04-16 19:44:29 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Well, since you asked so politely, I just made a hand gesture at you which explains everything you need to know.

o7


Lol Smile

Amarrchecko wrote:
How much truth is there to these claims? What percentage of Eve players really make that much isk that quickly?


I did ask about as politely as anyone ever does. I only got a bit snippy about unsolicited advice after a bunch of you started offering it to me, even though I mentioned that isn't what I was looking for in the first post of the thread :p


Going to stop replying though. I get the impression nobody really has an answer to my question and the thread is going in a direction I didn't intend.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#25 - 2015-04-16 19:47:54 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
it's irrelevant.


It's irrelevant to... what?

Cause, ya know, I asked the question specifically. So the answer to that question is actually quite relevant in this thread.


Irrelevant in general. You're basically asking "how many people are doing better than me".

We don't know. The answer is probably that most players who are:
-playing to make isk,
-use as many characters as you do,
and
-have been in the game as long as you

are probably making more than you, but without access to CCP.s databases, we can't know for sure. It's also an intensely silly question.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#26 - 2015-04-16 19:49:14 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Well, since you asked so politely, I just made a hand gesture at you which explains everything you need to know.

o7


Lol Smile

Amarrchecko wrote:
How much truth is there to these claims? What percentage of Eve players really make that much isk that quickly?


I did ask about as politely as anyone ever does. I only got a bit snippy about unsolicited advice after a bunch of you started offering it to me, even though I mentioned that isn't what I was looking for in the first post of the thread :p


Going to stop replying though. I get the impression nobody really has an answer to my question and the thread is going in a direction I didn't intend.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_in,_garbage_out
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#27 - 2015-04-16 19:55:44 UTC
So here's my way of making ISK.

I work 7:30 to 4:00 at a desk job.

I remote desktop to my home PC.

I rat with 2 accounts at 60 mil an hour.

I usually get about 6 hours of ratting a day in between my work. Sometimes more, sometimes less.

(60 x 2) x 6 = 720 million a day 720 x 5 = 3.6 bil

I get a 10/10 escalation about once a day usually and maybe 100 mil a week from faction spawns so call it 4 billion a week.

If I rat at work then break out the capitals and rat at home I can easily make 12-15 billion a week.

All these people that tell you it doesn't take any time are excluding 1 major detail which I like to call 'No Life Status' or NLS. It all takes time its just how much time do you have to put into it.

It's like Clint Eastwood says in Gran Torino 'Even a knucklehead like you can understand that man acquires these things of a period of time' or something like that.

Not today spaghetti.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#28 - 2015-04-16 19:58:40 UTC
Try and fulfil something

Example:
Mine ore
Join a Null Sec alliance
Get T2 stuff
Run a POS
Make Ishtars
Sell them with modules

If you have ore -> to complete ships and get as many efficient and cheap parts you can make a lot of ISK

... or move into a worm hole and try the same sort of thing but at greater risk, use BPCs there.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-04-16 20:25:42 UTC
Ha OP I make 120m/hr when I try to make ISK. I don't know how to count the hauling/trading. I sell high end gear in Thera. Some days I literally make 200m - 500m passively many days I make 0.
Paranoid Loyd
#30 - 2015-04-16 20:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Amarrchecko wrote:
How much truth is there to these claims? What percentage of Eve players really make that much isk that quickly?

There are a few problems with the questions you are asking.

First of all, you asked the question in it's most basic form: Do people exaggerate when they are trying to make a point? If you really don't know the answer to this I have a rare albino Fedo to sell you.

Second, how do you define isk/hr?
There is no activity in this game that can be directly translated to isk/hr (except maybe ratting). For example, you said you can make 60mil isk/hr. Most people would assume you took the amount of ore you can mine from one cycle of your stripminers x the market value of the ore x the amount of stripminers =isk/hr. When in reality the calculation should account for the time you were not mining and bringing the ore to market, the time it takes to put up sell orders for the ore, the time it takes to drop off the ore in the station and go back to the belt? These all eat into the time you could be mining and therefore should be calculated in the isk/hr number. So were you exaggerating the actual amount?

Then you get to activities like mine. I kill haulers for profit. The actual gank from scanning the target to docking with the loot is completed in minutes, but I have to sit there and scan sometimes for many hours to find a target. Then again this activity allows for many other things to be done so should I count those many hours of scanning in the calculation even though I am technically not even playing besides once in a while for a few seconds when a hauler shows up on the overview? Once I have collected the loot, to actually get isk, I need to take it to market and sell it. So should I include that in my isk/hr calculation?

I could claim depending on definition of isk/hr that I make billions an hour, or I can normalize and account for all of the things that actually count towards converting my activity to isk and come up with a number that is not much higher than yours. Then again if I were to mine for all the hours that I counted toward the calculation that weren't really spent playing I would go absolutely insane so should it really count towards the number when comparing your isk/hr to mine?

I hope this gives you some insight into your inquiry and why you are not getting the answers you want.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Johnny Jinks
Finnerwamkoomen
#31 - 2015-04-16 20:37:39 UTC



my dad makes more money than your dad. Roll
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#32 - 2015-04-16 20:45:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Solecist
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Being poor in game and not willing to dump more than base sub money on the game prevent me from doing such thing. But then again, some people could consider this as bad as I will probably never know what it feels like to do such things.

Oh well...

Why are you poor, honey?


Amarrchecko wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
You are doing it wrong.


This, especially, annoyed me.

There's only one "wrong" way to play a game, and as I stated repeatedly in my OP, I have fun playing Eve the way I play Eve. So... no. I'm not doing anything wrong.
Oh, you're right!
I'm stonerposting, must have shuffled memory from other posts. ^_^


Oh and it annoys me that it annoyed you. :)
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Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#33 - 2015-04-16 20:58:58 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
The trick is to find the right balance for yourself between 'Making lots of Isk' and 'Making lots of fun'.
Some players are really having fun while going all the way and through a lot of effort to find the optimum in (insert activity here) for their maximum Isk/hour ratio, while others are equally having as much fun doing something entirely different while always on the edge of bankruptcy.

The tipping point is different for everyone and for you to find out were yours lies. The thing is, making/having fun should always be on top of the list, above making Isk.


^^This exactly. Spending all you time ratting, plexing, mining is pointless, you will eventually leave the game.

......................................................
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#34 - 2015-04-17 06:19:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Maldiro Selkurk
Logan Revelore wrote:
Amarrchecko wrote:
...stuff...


Well first off, you've chosen the least paying trade in the game. Not sure if there's anything out there paying less than mining. Second, you've chosen a trade that doesn't seem to scale well.

Now for your question, if I measure my isk/hour based on how long I'm logged in and doing my isk making activities, then I guess I'm around 150-300 m/hour.

Least paying trade, try PI in high sec with highsec POCOs taxing you into oblivion. This trade has broken the much anticipated negative ISK per hour barrier.

As to OPs question faction warfare, incursions, blitzing level 4 security missions, station trading (you better like humping spreadsheets if you go this route)......that's all I got.

Oh, I forgot how I make a lot of ISK, 16 hour play days (don't tell anyone about this super secret method I don't need the competition it would bring).

Shocked <-------Me, lots of coffee, twelfth hour playing.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
flakeys
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-04-17 06:44:36 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Daerrol wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something.

Some of us just aren't poor IRL cause we have jobs that make some good cash.

To each his own but I make plenty of RL money and I would never buy a PLEX, then again I make plenty of isk in game so it's not even a consideration.



Same here , i just see using a plex as 'cheating'.No not in the sense that i think others who use it are cheating but in the sense that i take a shortcut in the game and that's something i never liked as such never done.And since i have traded a few times in my eve time i do know how to make good isk while only spending a few minutes a day on it.

That said OP , mining is the worst way of making isk BUT if you enjoy it then by all means do just that.Not many people trade because they find it utterly boring or for some too complex , so even if it does generate isk faster then most activities if you hate it then don't do it.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-04-17 07:40:14 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
station trading (you better like humping spreadsheets if you go this route)......-.



Why do people allways think that mass trading involves spreadsheets ?I had times when i had over 500 orders going yet i have never used spreadsheets . Shocked

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#37 - 2015-04-17 09:13:32 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Daerrol wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something.

Some of us just aren't poor IRL cause we have jobs that make some good cash.

To each his own but I make plenty of RL money and I would never buy a PLEX, then again I make plenty of isk in game so it's not even a consideration.


+1

I know people in game who do buy plex. They are usually way to impatient to figure out ways to make isk (and want what they think of as 'fun' right away), very bad at making isk, or find all of the isk making things to be boring. That's ok, to each their own, what honestly bugs me is that the same kinds of people tend to look down on others for using isk to play the game 'for free', which is stupid because we aren't the ones shoveling actual money at a video game that lets you play it for free lol.

Whales in F2P games are the exact same way personality wise.


You should applaud the people who pay money to CCP. Without them you wouldn't have a game to play for free. But you know that already of course, but somehow you feel a need to belittle other players and call them stupid. Now I am disappaointed because I usually tend to agree with your posts and opinions.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#38 - 2015-04-17 09:35:39 UTC
Quote:
Of course at first that's something that's need to be learned,


How to spot scammer, thief, or code member.
There are people that, if you will say something to them, will try to make you as poor as they could.

You have to talk to the right people.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-04-17 09:36:09 UTC
First of all your mining ops doing well and you can't squezee out more from mining->sell ore/minerals on market.
Next logical step is production no matter what ammo drones or ships all good.

Then you could think of invention and research.

So diversificafion is a key one.

Secondly please answer to yourself why do you need all those shitload of money?

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#40 - 2015-04-17 09:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Jenn aSide wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Daerrol wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
It's possible but I'd say few are doing it. Either because they don't know, don't want to, or can't be bothered. The game is full of poors that have a few bil or "sell a plex when they need to", because selling plex allows them more free time to cure cancer or create great artwork, or something.

Some of us just aren't poor IRL cause we have jobs that make some good cash.

To each his own but I make plenty of RL money and I would never buy a PLEX, then again I make plenty of isk in game so it's not even a consideration.


+1

I know people in game who do buy plex. They are usually way to impatient to figure out ways to make isk (and want what they think of as 'fun' right away), very bad at making isk, or find all of the isk making things to be boring. That's ok, to each their own, what honestly bugs me is that the same kinds of people tend to look down on others for using isk to play the game 'for free', which is stupid because we aren't the ones shoveling actual money at a video game that lets you play it for free lol.

Whales in F2P games are the exact same way personality wise.


personally i feel spending 800mil isk on a plex for gametime a waste of isk and would rather just buy a plex for rl money, which havent actually needed to do in a long time, however im also terrible at making isk in pve because ive never really needed to actually do it, i do pve for fun mostly

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*