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archer55
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-04-11 06:40:05 UTC
Hi,

I'm not entirely a newbie I've been on and off the game for years. Every time I return I never really understand what my aim should be. Before a while back I joined a corporation hoping they would teach me about the game. Sure enough they seem to busy doing everything else to answer any question I have in chat. I have both a hulk and a stealth bomber yet I've never been in null sec ever I believe. Can someone point me in the right direction? I always come back to try to learn Eve and just never seem to have any luck on how to actually become something in the game.
Justin Zaine
#2 - 2015-04-11 06:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Zaine
Welcome to Eve.

Here's a spaceship. **** you.

This is Eve's motto. Or, at least it used to be. That has seemingly changed somewhat since all the things have been nerfed for the sake of drawing in new subscriptions.

The honest answer to your question is to just do what interests you. Are you interested in being a Miner? A CEO? An Industrialist that builds ships? Or maybe a big bad pirate that violences others?

Your first goal is to answer this question to some degree. Furthermore, unless you give us more detail we can't really help you. If you've got both a Hulk and a Bomber you're on two totally opposite ends of the spectrum at the same time. What do you want to do?

After you've figured out what you want to do, then go about joining a corporation that does that thing and can give you some basic guidance on how to do that thing better. Again, don't expect anybody to be your babysitter. You are going to need to do lots of reading, and google is your best friend.

If you can't answer the first question and have no idea what you want to do, look into some generic training corps like Eve University... I usually advise people against joining them because in a corp that large, you're nothing but another number, (And they have some really stupid rules that limit gameplay,) but in this case it may be a good way to expose you to the rest of the things, and help you make up your mind.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.

Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-04-11 07:00:44 UTC
EVE can be difficult to get into, especially if you're used to other games. As you've probably noticed, EVE doesn't give you a goal like other MMOs. There is no 'great evil' that only you, the chosen one, (and the 826487254 other chosen ones jumping up and down like crack monkeys) have to stop. You have to set goals for yourself. Having a good corp can help a lot, but in the end, it does come down to you and what you would like to accomplish.

Since you have a stealth bomber, I take it you're interested in that kind of gameplay. If I were you, I'd get in touch with "Wingspan Delivery Services", they (if I remember right) take in new players and get them into cloaky wormhole shenanigans. There's also The Bombers Bar community which is a "not purple shoot it" organisation. NPSI means: if it's not in the fleet, it's a target. Never flown with either of these groups, but they seem to be the most popular for this kind of thing.

If you haven't already, take a look through the tutorials to get up to speed, and get some free stuff. I'm not sure how much you remember from before, but a refresher can't hurt. Then, get creative, and be social, there's a lot of space to explore and people to meet out there.

o7

Grrr.

Memphis Baas
#4 - 2015-04-11 12:22:23 UTC
My advice is try to be a kid. You can play with any of a number of different types of spaceships, but what will you do? Will you be a Dread Space Pirate, or a nice person in this sea of evil? Will you build an empire, or remain solitary?

Try to set goals like a kid, and then stick to them. The grind for ISK, the ship stats, the profit calculating, the industry setups, that's all grown-up work that you may have to do to achieve those goals, but the "what should I do" question can only be answered by your imagination.

Otherwise, all the spaceships in-game are like a bunch of toys left on the floor, inert. They're not going to play by themselves (no, this is not Toy Story).

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-04-11 13:09:32 UTC
Eve is both a game and an MMO in the truest sense of both. A game in the sense that it is here for the purposes of play and an MMO in the sense that it is rather pointless without others.

So in the play aspect play around with stuff. Try different things out. Don't so much set goals for yourself, at least not at this point, but just try stuff. Try a wide range of things and the stuff that you like do more of and the stuff that you don't do less of. Eventually you will find your place in the game however don't get used to it because likely "your place" will change as you gain experience.

This game is an MMO and you need to get involved with other people to have fun. If your last corp was too busy to talk to you then find a better one. Find friends in in-game chat channels, Make random friends or start some public chat channel. However you do it just make friends.

Keep in mind though that eve is a sandbox and a game for the explorer types. If you enjoy learning for the sake of learning and have fun figuring stuff out then you'll likely enjoy eve. If you are looking for a game that takes you by the hand and shows you how to become the hero of Azeroth then you are in the wrong game.

If you still can't find your way then maybe The Clash can help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQvvXkQcT8I

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

archer55
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-04-11 13:44:53 UTC
Thanks for the awesome replies! Guess I'll have to take my time and actually research the things I'm doing some more. But those responses definitely give some motivation thanks again!
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-04-11 14:04:33 UTC
Choose a corp that uses voice comms and get in them. Most "active" corporations use comms regularly and often times corp chat is only a secondary means of communication. Personally if I'm busy I will miss hours of corp chat at a time, all the while talking to those people in TS3.

Corp members will also be more interested in helping you and answering questions if they like/trust you. Talking in comms is the quickest way to achieve that. It's a very social game. A random newbie that contributes nothing and asks occasional "dumb" questions in corp chat is just an annoyance. An eager newbro that joins comms and participates in whatever you are doing is someone you can invest your knowledge in, with a better chance that they will actually put it to good use. Get involved.

You can also learn a ton just from listening to experienced players without even having to ask questions.

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

Titan's Lament

Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-04-11 16:33:24 UTC
archer55 wrote:
Thanks for the awesome replies! Guess I'll have to take my time and actually research the things I'm doing some more. But those responses definitely give some motivation thanks again!

I got yer motivation right here.

I apologize to the vets who've already watched that 5371256 times. Once more can't hurt right? Right?

Grrr.

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-04-13 07:03:35 UTC
Azda Ja wrote:
archer55 wrote:
Thanks for the awesome replies! Guess I'll have to take my time and actually research the things I'm doing some more. But those responses definitely give some motivation thanks again!

I got yer motivation right here.

I apologize to the vets who've already watched that 5371256 times. Once more can't hurt right? Right?
Right!

Tears come to my eyes when I watch that... Like, every single time. Shocked

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Hector Skunk
Highsecberg.
#10 - 2015-04-13 09:04:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Hector Skunk
archer55 wrote:
Hi,

I'm not entirely a newbie I've been on and off the game for years. Every time I return I never really understand what my aim should be. Before a while back I joined a corporation hoping they would teach me about the game. Sure enough they seem to busy doing everything else to answer any question I have in chat. I have both a hulk and a stealth bomber yet I've never been in null sec ever I believe. Can someone point me in the right direction? I always come back to try to learn Eve and just never seem to have any luck on how to actually become something in the game.

I have had a tremendous start, politely asking a mining neureus to drop his cargo for me and ransoming someone else for the loot his NPC dropped. The most successfull way of getting into the game seems to be interacting with others as early as possible.

Through this, the former turned into my first friend and from the latter I have earned respect for being a gentleman. Remember to always stay polite and classy, no matter what. I even gave him back his loot free of charge, which ended in him giving me five million ISK for it.

Alternatively you could spam spoilers for Game of Thrones in local and see what happens. I have tested this successfully on multiple occasions yesterday.

I am Hector Skunk. - "Tisiphone Dira > I feel bullied."

Kick Axe Blackwing
EVE University
Ivy League
#11 - 2015-04-13 11:00:16 UTC
Eve is a very complex ga me and it is not as simple as asking once in a forum for advice.

There are three major parts to this game.

1. Having goals/figuring out what you want to do. This will continuously change as you learn things.

2. Figuring out how you will get there. What skills to train, how to make Isk, reading forums and other info.

3. Over coming obstacles. There are many ways other players can make you have a bad day. Not my favorite part of the game but you have to learn to deal with it.

Feel ffee to yell at me in game if you need help.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-04-13 11:17:15 UTC
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
Eve is a very complex ga me and it is not as simple as asking once in a forum for advice.

There are three major parts to this game.

1. Having goals/figuring out what you want to do. This will continuously change as you learn things.

2. Figuring out how you will get there. What skills to train, how to make Isk, reading forums and other info.

3. Over coming obstacles. There are many ways other players can make you have a bad day. Not my favorite part of the game but you have to learn to deal with it.

Feel ffee to yell at me in game if you need help.

This is all really good advice. Within this theme I would like to add that play and experimentation are essentially the same thing. Especially early on you should not be afraid to play around with different fits and different ships and different tactics etc... Even if someone tells you something is the wrong way to do things you won't really know why in most cases until you do if yourself. Many of you questions that you could come up with you can answer yourself through experimentation and as a result be a far more experienced player than if you read all the associated blogs on the topic.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2015-04-13 11:27:40 UTC
Here's a goal that will sound horrible at first (but actually isn't), and that is achievable early on.

Find another player, and try to ruin their play session by interrupting whatever they were trying to do.

Maybe you target someone that's trading, and try to intercept and destroy their shipment. Maybe you target someone mining, and try to gank them. Maybe you target someone that's running missions, and try to steal their mission completion objective.

What's really memorable is when you pick a target and come up with a plan - and they manage to make your plan backfire somehow. Opponents that fight back intelligently - that's what EVE has over every other game out there.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-04-13 12:55:03 UTC
Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:
There are many ways other players can make you have a bad day. ...you have to learn to deal with it.


Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Find another player, and try to ruin their play session by interrupting whatever they were trying to do.


And here we have the basis of conflict in Eve. You can either be the player who gets screwed with or the player doin' the screwin'. This is true everywhere in the game, at all times, no matter what. Even if you think what you're doing will have no effect on anyone else, it is.

Just keep that in mind (and don't whine about it Blink).
Hector Skunk
Highsecberg.
#15 - 2015-04-13 13:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Hector Skunk
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Here's a goal that will sound horrible at first (but actually isn't), and that is achievable early on.

Find another player, and try to ruin their play session by interrupting whatever they were trying to do.

Maybe you target someone that's trading, and try to intercept and destroy their shipment. Maybe you target someone mining, and try to gank them. Maybe you target someone that's running missions, and try to steal their mission completion objective.

What's really memorable is when you pick a target and come up with a plan - and they manage to make your plan backfire somehow. Opponents that fight back intelligently - that's what EVE has over every other game out there.

And don't forget to be polite and friendly and not a hypocrite who just pretends. People will notice and it gets you far. Remember they need to realize that it's a game and that you play by the rules!

I am Hector Skunk. - "Tisiphone Dira > I feel bullied."

GordonO
BURN EDEN
#16 - 2015-04-13 20:14:49 UTC
Sadly there are many "sucky" corp in eve, check my history to see but a few of them. If you need help/advice feel free to contact me, or join our corp public chat "The Staging Pot" and we will help out. You not obliged to join us. if anyone is unhelpful, let me know and I will boot them.
helpmymission is also a very helpful channel for mostly mission related stuff, but someone is always willing to help.
The forums can be helpful at times if you frame the question correctly and don't argue with those offering advice, ie if you have problems with a ship, post the fit, don't just say you fly x and its bad..

... What next ??

Zebulon Tucker
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-04-16 10:55:08 UTC
Azda Ja wrote:
archer55 wrote:
Thanks for the awesome replies! Guess I'll have to take my time and actually research the things I'm doing some more. But those responses definitely give some motivation thanks again!

I got yer motivation right here.

I apologize to the vets who've already watched that 5371256 times. Once more can't hurt right? Right?


Shocked

what happened at 2:36 !?! or was that edited together from different vids?

That's the first time I've seen that video and it had me laughing out loud with joy :)
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-04-16 11:10:24 UTC
Zebulon Tucker wrote:
Shocked

what happened at 2:36 !?!
PipebombingLol

PS. Yes, the video I linked is definitely worth 1 hour of your time.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Zebulon Tucker
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-04-16 12:35:14 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Zebulon Tucker wrote:
Shocked

what happened at 2:36 !?!
PipebombingLol

PS. Yes, the video I linked is definitely worth 1 hour of your time.


yes. yes it was.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#20 - 2015-04-16 13:32:15 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
And here we have the basis of conflict in Eve. You can either be the player who gets screwed with or the player doin' the screwin'. This is true everywhere in the game, at all times, no matter what. Even if you think what you're doing will have no effect on anyone else, it is.

Just keep that in mind (and don't whine about it Blink).


In fairness, there's SOME middle ground there.

It's actually kind of funny how helpless/bad at the game some people assume you are when you're doing basic PvE like running sites or w-space diving. I've had would-be pirates that I actually exploded before they even sent the ransom message because it didn't occur to them that I might have dropped a neut in the utility high-slot instead of a salvager or other high-sec gear.

The difference between being an actual sitting duck and a bad call for someone trying to grief you is usually 1-2 modules, and "passive PvP" where you're just doing PvE stuff in low-sec or NPC null and dealing with interlopers instead of docking up like a coward when local isn't empty is pretty fun.

(Admittedly, not as fun as the sheer bastardy of running a Stealth Bomber and dropping someone's ratting BS/BC instantly, but still fun, and it doesn't require the Schadenfreude.)