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extra fee's for selected unfriendly corporations

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spydersplace
Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate
#1 - 2015-04-15 03:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: spydersplace
I would like the ability to set extra fee's for players buying stuff from me or my corp if they are in unfriendly corporations.



All I mean is the ability to charge extra fee's based on character standings in the contact list that already exists
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-04-15 03:17:49 UTC

Easily bypassed by alts. Next idea.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#3 - 2015-04-15 04:29:45 UTC
Use contracts to corps. Now they can't buy at all.
ISD Supogo
ISD BH
ISD Alliance
#4 - 2015-04-15 04:47:27 UTC
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Equipment Certification and Anomaly Investigations Division (ECAID)

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Iain Cariaba
#5 - 2015-04-15 17:23:40 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Easily bypassed by alts. Next idea.

This pretty much says it all. I don't think I've been in Jita with any but my Jita trade alt more than half a dozen times in the last 2-3 years, and my Jita trade alt is in NPC corp.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#6 - 2015-04-15 17:28:42 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Easily bypassed by alts. Next idea.

This pretty much says it all. I don't think I've been in Jita with any but my Jita trade alt more than half a dozen times in the last 2-3 years, and my Jita trade alt is in NPC corp.

So make it a stupid tax, and encourage proper meta-gaming, or allow people inside alliances to snipe at each other with fees.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2015-04-15 21:04:27 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Easily bypassed by alts. Next idea.


It can't be circumvented by alts outside the hubs, especially not in Null sec or Low sec. I crave a method for a long time now where I can sell stuff cheaper for the alliance I serve and more expensive for people I do not want me to buy out without paying me handsomely. Double edged sword as they can do the same to me, but I still want it.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-04-15 22:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
OP....money is money. It knows no discrimination. As long as you getting paid its a good day. Accept and move on.


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It can't be circumvented by alts outside the hubs, especially not in Null sec or Low sec. I crave a method for a long time now where I can sell stuff cheaper for the alliance I serve and more expensive for people I do not want me to buy out without paying me handsomely. Double edged sword as they can do the same to me, but I still want it.


Create corp contracts, problem solved. I was in one home that provided complete kit fleet ships....all corp contracted. Even had the preferred SOP ammo in it to not guess what ammo to run. Most at fair prices and some markup for transport costs but good deals all in to be had.

Alliance wide there was a corp who did this too in a home I was in. Put up a nice site, needed an in alliance char to use it. Even delivered to your doorstep of corp station. Slick little site, was like your standard buy online store front really. had fleet fits and some packaged what they considered vanilla roam fits. Some roam fits not great but priced good enough to buy and just put your own liked stuff.
Iain Cariaba
#9 - 2015-04-15 22:44:57 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Easily bypassed by alts. Next idea.


It can't be circumvented by alts outside the hubs, especially not in Null sec or Low sec. I crave a method for a long time now where I can sell stuff cheaper for the alliance I serve and more expensive for people I do not want me to buy out without paying me handsomely. Double edged sword as they can do the same to me, but I still want it.

Actually, it can be circumvented by alts in both low and null.

First off, there is no docking restriction in low, so nothing stoping me from ceptoring out to buy whatever with an alt. As far as null goes, the mechanic to keep non-blues from using the market only works if the non-blue is docked at an unfriendly station. If I can get into your station, I can have an alt simply fly into the region, buy whatever off market, then contract it over.

If you want to sell cheaper to alliance, use the contract system and make the prices on open market higher.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2015-04-16 07:14:34 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
First off, there is no docking restriction in low, so nothing stoping me from ceptoring out to buy whatever with an alt. As far as null goes, the mechanic to keep non-blues from using the market only works if the non-blue is docked at an unfriendly station. If I can get into your station, I can have an alt simply fly into the region, buy whatever off market, then contract it over.

If you want to sell cheaper to alliance, use the contract system and make the prices on open market higher.

The contract system does not work if I want to sell separate equipment to the alliance. You can't tell me that I should create hundreds of contracts to sell Tremor S in 100 unit batches. Not only is that impossible, it's also completely ridiculous. Roll

It may be circumventable, but only by dedicated groups. If I seed a station in Low sec for the general public, I'd like to be able to ask higher prices from people who I have at -5 or -10. Same goes for NPC Null (especially there as many different groups live there and can come to my place and buy things) and to some extend Sov Space. You can use that alt once to buy me out, but after I got hold of your alt, I can simply set it red and the chance to repeat that with my orders is gone forever.

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-04-16 08:32:24 UTC
Would hope this is part of the new market structures tbh, extra taxes for non-blues, etc and so on.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2015-04-16 09:17:19 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
OP....money is money. It knows no discrimination. As long as you getting paid its a good day. Accept and move on.



This.

Why do you even care who's buying your ****?
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#13 - 2015-04-16 14:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
I need to make sure I understand this insanity correctly.

You want the ability to place items into a market that is open to ALL EvE players AND the ability to fix prices based on who wants to buy the stuff?

If this is the basics of your idea then -1 about 10 million times over. Free and open markets are free and open markets you place your stuff there to sell and set your asking price, they are markets not negotiations.

I think I understand the basics reasons for this insane request and I have an alternative idea to suggest.
As pointed out the current contract system cannot be used effectively to sell items in large overall volumes and do so in small increments like 100 units of ammo. My proposal would be to allow player corps and alliances to set up markets that are available to members only. This would allow people to sell for reduced prices to corp/alliance mates while maintaining a higher price to the rest of EvE.
spydersplace
Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate
#14 - 2015-05-16 01:09:13 UTC
All that would be needed for this is a rating system that already exists in eve to add fee's based on character standing that you can already set by adding the person to your contacts. What's the big deal. It would mean they would pay more or go elsewhere to buy.
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-05-16 01:28:36 UTC
Market warfare is a legitimate way to affect invasions/defensive actions. You'd do better to ask for single station black markets, localized to one station and products not listed on the open markets. Advertising can be in the form of A token contract with a comment about availability

Still, I can't support undermining legit tactics.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2015-05-16 03:51:21 UTC
Please do this, I like the idea of undercutting you without having to lower my own prices.