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Dev blog: Alliance Logos & You - Submissions Re-Opened!

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2015-04-15 15:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Fantastic news for Alliances!

After having temporarily put alliance logo submissions on halt in 2014, we now gladly announce that alliances can submit their logos again to CCP so that the logos can be added to EVE Online.

Approved logos will receive a slight modification and a small CONCORD logo of approval before they are put in game. Please note that also existing alliance logos needs to be resubmitted again.

For all the details (size and format of the logo, submission process etc.) please check CCP Falcon's latest dev blog Alliance Logos & You - Submissions Re-Opened!

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John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force
#2 - 2015-04-15 15:47:12 UTC  |  Edited by: John McCreedy
Is there any chance you'll ever allow user-created corporation logos to be submitted alongside Alliances, rather than how we now have to rely on stock template images which neither are representative of our uniqueness nor exclusive to our corporation? In the real world, Corporation logos are often iconic and immediately speak that company's name - think Apple or Google as examples, neither of which would be near as iconic if you had hundreds of corporations using those logos. Eve over the years has had a gradual shift away from corporation focus with more emphasis placed on Alliances yet most corporations outlast most alliances. Bringing the focus back on to corporations could only be a good thing.

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CCP Falcon
#3 - 2015-04-15 15:53:00 UTC
John McCreedy wrote:
Is there any chance you'll ever allow user-created corporation logos to be submitted alongside Alliances, rather than how we now have to rely on stock template images which neither are representative of our uniqueness nor exclusive to our corporation? In the real world, Corporation logos are often iconic and immediately speak that company's name - think Apple or Google as examples, neither of which would be near as iconic if you had hundreds of corporations using those logos. Eve over the years has had a gradual shift away from corporation focus with more emphasis placed on Alliances yet most corporations outlast most alliances. Bringing the focus back on to corporations could only be a good thing.


The sheer number of corporations that are created means that this isn't really something that's feasible in terms of dedicating manpower to it.

This is why we also have restrictions on member count and size of an alliance with regards to eligibility for logo submission Smile

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#4 - 2015-04-15 16:05:39 UTC
The new logo can/should be different to existing one ?

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Bashok
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2015-04-15 16:07:50 UTC
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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#6 - 2015-04-15 16:12:00 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
John McCreedy wrote:
Is there any chance you'll ever allow user-created corporation logos to be submitted alongside Alliances, rather than how we now have to rely on stock template images which neither are representative of our uniqueness nor exclusive to our corporation? In the real world, Corporation logos are often iconic and immediately speak that company's name - think Apple or Google as examples, neither of which would be near as iconic if you had hundreds of corporations using those logos. Eve over the years has had a gradual shift away from corporation focus with more emphasis placed on Alliances yet most corporations outlast most alliances. Bringing the focus back on to corporations could only be a good thing.


The sheer number of corporations that are created means that this isn't really something that's feasible in terms of dedicating manpower to it.

This is why we also have restrictions on member count and size of an alliance with regards to eligibility for logo submission Smile

How about if you allow the smaller alliances and corps to submit, provided they pay for the manpower effort with PLEX?

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CCP Falcon
#7 - 2015-04-15 16:13:15 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
The new logo can/should be different to existing one ?


It's a new submission, so it can be different, or the same. Smile

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CCP Falcon
#8 - 2015-04-15 16:13:43 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
John McCreedy wrote:
Is there any chance you'll ever allow user-created corporation logos to be submitted alongside Alliances, rather than how we now have to rely on stock template images which neither are representative of our uniqueness nor exclusive to our corporation? In the real world, Corporation logos are often iconic and immediately speak that company's name - think Apple or Google as examples, neither of which would be near as iconic if you had hundreds of corporations using those logos. Eve over the years has had a gradual shift away from corporation focus with more emphasis placed on Alliances yet most corporations outlast most alliances. Bringing the focus back on to corporations could only be a good thing.


The sheer number of corporations that are created means that this isn't really something that's feasible in terms of dedicating manpower to it.

This is why we also have restrictions on member count and size of an alliance with regards to eligibility for logo submission Smile

How about if you allow the smaller alliances and corps to submit, provided they pay for the manpower effort with PLEX?


Not something we're willing to consider at this stage.

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Kailen Thorn
I.N.V.A.S.I.O.N.
Apocalypse Now.
#9 - 2015-04-15 16:20:33 UTC
The whole "Futureistic" thing is silly.

Stomping all over unique IP's that make EvE


Also, sooo over the moon with that fact i paid 1 Bill to create an alliance in December, with the intention of holding onto it, giving it an identity before recruiting now has a road full of bumps and hurdles, not to mention i dont believe the logo will be accepted now.


What your saying is that small groups are no longer allowed identities? Just revert some of the changes and do the things we want and pay you for.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#10 - 2015-04-15 16:27:33 UTC
Real talk: does CCP actually have a legal team? What kind of lawyers would seriously advise them that the best way to avoid IP issues is by creating a blatantly derivative work?
CCP Falcon
#11 - 2015-04-15 16:38:34 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Real talk: does CCP actually have a legal team? What kind of lawyers would seriously advise them that the best way to avoid IP issues is by creating a blatantly derivative work?


I'm not a lawyer, and this was the compromise that our legal counsel came up with.

If you have an issue with this, feel free to contact our legal department and they'll be able to advise you further.

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Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2015-04-15 16:38:38 UTC
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Taurkinius
FCON Aerarium Militare
Fidelas Constans
#13 - 2015-04-15 16:40:44 UTC
If only I could reference the dev blog picture in my submission email.
CCP Falcon
#14 - 2015-04-15 16:41:47 UTC
Kailen Thorn wrote:
The whole "Futureistic" thing is silly.

Stomping all over unique IP's that make EvE


Also, sooo over the moon with that fact i paid 1 Bill to create an alliance in December, with the intention of holding onto it, giving it an identity before recruiting now has a road full of bumps and hurdles, not to mention i dont believe the logo will be accepted now.


What your saying is that small groups are no longer allowed identities? Just revert some of the changes and do the things we want and pay you for.


Small groups can build an identity with no issue just under a corporation name and logo. This has happened countless times throughout the history of EVE.

When an alliance reaches the appropriate size, it can submit a logo for approval.

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Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
#15 - 2015-04-15 16:42:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Irregessa
Reading the guidelines, I would expect that the following alliances would not have their present logos accepted due to being cartoon-like/anarchonistic:

GSF
TEST
NC
SMA
LAWN
J4LP
INIT.
SOUND
IRC
-7-


Some of the most established and recognized alliances in the game.
CCP Falcon
#16 - 2015-04-15 16:47:04 UTC
Irregessa wrote:
Reading the guidelines, I would expect that the following alliances would not have their present logos accepted due being cartoon-like/anarchonistic:

GSF
TEST
NC
SMA
LAWN
Fweddit
INIT.
SOUND
IRC
-7-


Some of the most established and recognized alliances in the game.


Things that you don't expect often happen, and assumption is the mother of all mistakes.

Smile

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Seymarr
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#17 - 2015-04-15 17:06:16 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Irregessa wrote:
Reading the guidelines, I would expect that the following alliances would not have their present logos accepted due being cartoon-like/anarchonistic:

GSF
TEST
NC
SMA
LAWN
Fweddit
INIT.
SOUND
IRC
-7-


Some of the most established and recognized alliances in the game.


Things that you don't expect often happen, and assumption is the mother of all mistakes.

Smile


Is interpretation of written guidelines also the mother of all mistakes? I'm having trouble parsing this as anything other than "you can't actually predict what we'll do based on our written, stated rules/guidelines". Should we, then, submit a ton of logos which seem in clear violation of the written guidelines, because "hey, you never know" - throwing **** at the wall and seeing what sticks, adding lots of work for CCP to sort through? Or does this simply mean that established logos can get "grandfathered in" when the same courtesy wouldn't be extended to the same logo submitted by a new alliance?
Eggshell Omelette
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2015-04-15 17:06:41 UTC
I think that CCP would be better served by reviewing Alliance logos for technical and legal issues only.

In my opinion, Eve is strongest and most appealing when players set the tone for the game. CCP has lately been on a role in letting the sandbox elements of the game come to the fore and I think they should follow that trend in their logo guidelines.

Let the part about "cartoony" elements and "no bright colors" be enforced as little as possible. If players don't like cartoons they can vote with their feet and join alliances with futuristic dimly colored logos. CCP can save itself the trouble of trying to review logos for style.

That being said, if the policy is just written like that to give them a reason to crush things like comic sans, all is well.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#19 - 2015-04-15 17:07:14 UTC
Time to hire some good artist!

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#20 - 2015-04-15 17:09:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Two step
Edit: Ignore this part, missed the grandfathering part


Also, I assume the 250 person count doesn't care about subscription status. What is to stop one from making an alt corp full of trial accounts and using that to get alliances over the 250 person limit? What happens if an alliance drops under 250 people after their logo is approved?

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