Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why must people mine in low?

Barring making certain minerals occur only in lowsec, there's very little that can be done to force people to mine in the wasteland that is lowsec.

And that would be a really messy job, forcing extremely artificial constraints on the system.

CCP has already stated that null sec anomalies will contain all the ores in roughly the right proportion to build ships. That will include Isogen and Nocxium.

This is part of a long term plan to enable self sufficiency in nullsec, to allow for nerfing of JF's and moving the game away from the current situation where it is far easier to import ships and modules from highsec than it is to locally manufacture them. A large portion of t1 and basically all of t2 production consumed in nullsec comes from highsec originally.

To put it bluntly, since the goal is enabling eventual self sufficiency, creating a situation where people are forced to import massive quantities of Isogen from lowsec is not going to happen.

The idea of having an isk reward progression. More danger and more reward, more activity.

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Low sec is where you lose ISK, not produce it. Game is made like this. By both CCP and so-called pirates. I count Zydrine containing OREs as true low sec ores. And it is not that easy to get them in high sec. Anomalies are often chery picked very quick.

Currently, People mine highends in nullsec and import lowends from highsec, because it takes only a short while to mine enough highends to build basically anything.

This dynamic keeps the prices of highec ores (primarily Trit, Pyerite, and Megacyte) artificially high.

By rebalancing the mineral compositions of nullsec anomalies to roughly equate to the composition required for production, you remove nullsecs reliance on highsec lowends, remove the massive surplus of highends. and solve issues with large scale nullsec mining needing to export your highends back to highsec before realizing a profit.

As a result, in highsec the value of lowends falls like a rock, the value of highends spike since there is not much excess nullsec highends being exported anymore, and mining income in highsec drops rapidly, while the value of nullsec miners goes up since they can now easily build ships in bulk without importing trit.

And then there's the massive reduction in base trit demand due to the lesser importance of capitals and supercapitals in fozziesov warfare.

TLDR: It will still be safer to mine in highsec, but the demand for ore in highsec will be low enough that there will be far far more incentive to have miners move to nullsec than there currently is. And when CCP inevitably nerfs the JF range down to 5LY, it will basically hammer the nail in the coffin of highsec exporters.

Wouldnt reducing jumps to 5LY simply make a supply chain out of jump freighters instead of a single one for a trip? So Jump distance is reduced, hand off cargo to another to keep going with it.

Hey I have an idea how to improve on that a little. Some of those regions have Rogue Drones as local NPCs and they never drop anything.

How about they would drop some sort of alloy that you could refine into minerals? They would look like some crystals and have a low vomlume, so that you can collect enough of those.

yeah one thing i hope to NEVER see though on the map, that alot of people are asking for, is for "extra stargates" either size-locked or not, to let people jump from lowsec right out to the farthest sections of nullsec, cause IMO the far regions of nullsec unreachable by lowsec have a purpose, and will continue to have a purpose, plus i *HATE* fast travel mechanics of any kind

Interdependency is all cool and well up until the point where it rationalizes massive sprawling empires and importing everything you use. And we are way past that.

You cannot break up said massive empires and yet permit mechanics that force people to import everything they use, because with coalitions fracturing, it becomes progressively more difficult to import things.

If you want to break up said coalitions and encourage smaller, more compact space where people live in the space they own, you must do so in a way that does not reduce all the space out of jump range of lowsec to uselessness, and the only way to do that is to remove the mechanics that prohibit local production.

That means removing the two primary offenders. 1: The only source of raw t2 material being static sources of moongoo where the variety is far out of proportion to the requirements of production, and 2: Mineral ratios that result in requiring people to grind through many hours of veldspar and scordite for each hour of any of the nullsec ores.

So you can take your offended butthurt over CCP's changes for improving the long term health of the game. and choke on it.

You would end up creating a bottle-neck on those minerals due to relative scarcity and prices would shoot up. CCP has tried, previously, having low-sec ores provide more of certain minerals than high sec and null ores and the result was still no one mining in Low and the cost of those minerals went up.

Unless people found a way to mitigate the risk of mining these minerals significantly then you'd likely simply see a mass market shortage of them, rather than an influx of miners to low-sec, miners tending to be a fairly risk-averse crowd all things considered.