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Is there only one way to play this game now?

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Dradis Aulmais
Serious Non-stop Espionage and Kidnapping
#41 - 2015-04-14 17:53:52 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:
I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.

My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.

I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.

It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.




Your issue doesn't exist. Ganking is such a minor thing your just operating in the wrong area. If we use CCP data they gave us during fanfest and assume that gankers only use catalyst to hank then heir was only about. 7000 ganks last year. Now some of those where hyper dunking and freighter kills so your gank to player ratio goes down even more. Ganking is a small minor thing. Tank your ship and move to another empire. HTFU

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Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#42 - 2015-04-14 17:55:56 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
I do believe OP to be a CODE agent, craving attention. But just in case (and why not)....

First of all, whatever your beef is with CODE, its obviously restricted to h-sec. Since I play this game as well and many more like me are rarely seen in h-sec, "game" is too broad a term. There are many ways to play this game. Your h-sec stuff is only 1 of them. As such, I find your narrow mindedness much more toxic than CODE's h-sec BS.

You can just do exactly what CODE does and do whatever you want to do without worrying how it impacts the game of somebody you don't even know.

This is only toxic to you because you label it as such. Others view the exact same thing as "fun". (I hear some of those types even have a manifest and stuff)



That's the funniest ting about all of this. The existence of CODE and groups like Goons and war deccers like Marmite etc terrorize people so much that the best option is to get out of the one place in EVE they think they are supposed to be safe lol. It means those CODE types are doing a good job.

Well, not on me, they haven't been able to screw with me, I mean "in general" lol.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#43 - 2015-04-14 18:15:41 UTC
After almost three years of doing this its still interesting to see people who think the New Order is trying to force players into either a narrow play style or otherwise leave the game. Despite our Agents adapting the various mechanics of the game, from bumping to awoxing to wardecs to corp theft and of course ganking to our goal we get accused of forcing "one" play style.

Others have already pointed out that the OP's playstyle is actually to not play at all but even in the case of the miner who actually sits there and watches the lasers we are actually educating more than forcing. And what are we teaching them?

1) Highsec is not safe. Not exactly an astonishing revelation yet we have the OP who seems to think we have somehow broken CCP's intentions.

2) You are not alone. A single server MMO and people think they are playing by themselves.

3) You are not elite. People think that making lots of ISK is winning Eve. Whole websites talk about it. Good for them. The New Order shows the miners that ISK in their wallet is much less a sign of competence than ISK we destroy. What takes them days or weeks to accumulate we destroy in seconds. Even when you are making ISK you are losing the game because we can take it from you whenever we choose.

4) CCP won't save you. Wouldn't a rational person realize that the fact that we have been doing this for so long... and so successfully... means that CCP is just fine with our game play. They consider us neither toxic or harmful to the game. Recently they admitted that activities like ours seem to enhance player retention. Which is what we have been saying all along.

5) and this is the most important. This is the truth that many players never aquire. The truth that opens Eve into something you don't experience anywhere else. The truth that makes it worth playing. And it is this. Miners exist to be targets. There is no in-game reason for them to exist other than to be destroyed. CCP could put the ore and ice right into the market, control supply and demand, create gluts and shortages all WITHOUT the miners. But instead, they strew it out into space and let the players who have no better thing to do go collect it. All while sitting in a stationary location, easily located by the pvpers and in ships that MUST succumb to a sufficiently organized attack fleet. Mining is an elegant solution to the problem of how do you get some players to fly ships full of expensive fittings and materials for the other players to kill. Its pretty brilliant when you think about it. The miners CHOOSE to go out in the ships that the pvpers like to shoot. CCP doesn't even have to make them do it. They just toss out the ore or ice and the targets flock to it. CCP even allows them to be AFK. Doesn't that tell you what the intention is?

So, here is where we come in. The New Order of Highsec exists to reveal this truth to the players, especially the new ones, who have been harmed by being told that highsec mining is an actual profession and one that they should aspire to. The lie that CONCORD will protect them and that the gankers are "toxic" but you can ignore them and that literally MONTHS of watching rocks melt is required in order to be able to, as so many carebear CEO's claim "grab a piece of null-sec and make a name for ourselves". James 315 is the Savior of Highsec and he has saved thousands of miners by the simple method of getting them to quit BEING miners. We are almost through year three of what James has predicted to be an eight year project. When we are done everyone will follow the Code throughout highsec.

This is probably a lot ot digest if you haven't been to www.minerbumping.com and gone through the wealth of information available there. I recommend it more than reading these forums as on minerbumping you will get the truth without the self serving agenda's so many posters here have. As I said, thousands have been saved by minerbumping. No one has been saved by reading the anti-Code ravings here.

One of the core rules of playing poker is that if you don't know who the rube is... its you. Miners, educate yourselves.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Jenshae Chiroptera
#44 - 2015-04-14 18:27:59 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Blah
... and if you bothered to read the whole of that then you just let a fanatic in to your mind on a Sunday morning to tell you all about what they believe. P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#45 - 2015-04-14 18:32:50 UTC
I just LOLLED really hard!!!

If u click the undock button, u consent to possible pvp, even if ur in a fragile miningship Big smile

Just mine in a ffing megathron allready! Lol
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#46 - 2015-04-14 19:21:53 UTC
I'm wondering what other open world PvP games the OP plays that allow him to sit in a PvP area while afk and not get attacked..

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#47 - 2015-04-14 19:34:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Solecist
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The only way to play is to have an active account.

/thread
And the only winning move ...
... is not to play. ^_^


Anyhow, I'm undesicive ... if that's a word.

I would have given you a flat 10/10 for catching so many,
if it wasn't for the fact that we haven't had this for long enough
people will believe it's actually the real thing. Your avatar, though,
plus some contradictionary things you've wrote makes it waaaaayyyyyyyy too obvious. :)

Loyd and me are experts ... you need to try much harder than that! *snickers xD*


Well ... yet you fooled the masses (not that hard, but still) and I should not give points based
only on my own perception, so I will award you a 9/10 as a sign of faith and good will. :)
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#48 - 2015-04-14 19:35:44 UTC
OP... you are confusing some issues here.


Yes, you are playing in a "sandbox." Yes, you CAN do whatever you want to do.
However... because EVE is a "multi-player sandbox" this means that other players can do whatever they want to as well... even if those things conflict with your goals.

This essentially means that any conflict in playstyles between players (in this case, CODE vs. miners/carebears) boils down to who is willing to put in the most thought and effort into doing what they want to do.
If you want to be "left alone" then you have to have to put some effort into making that possible... because with everyone beig able to do what they want to do, all bets are off and no one is entitled to success.

(forgive me if I am making less sense than usual... still sleepy...)
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#49 - 2015-04-14 19:41:47 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
OP... you are confusing some issues here.


Yes, you are playing in a "sandbox." Yes, you CAN do whatever you want to do.
However... because EVE is a "multi-player sandbox" this means that other players can do whatever they want to as well... even if those things conflict with your goals.

This essentially means that any conflict in playstyles between players (in this case, CODE vs. miners/carebears) boils down to who is willing to put in the most thought and effort into doing what they want to do.
If you want to be "left alone" then you have to have to put some effort into making that possible... because with everyone beig able to do what they want to do, all bets are off and no one is entitled to success.

(forgive me if I am making less sense than usual... still sleepy...)

You're so sleepy, you missed that it's just propaganda. :)
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Black Pedro
Mine.
#50 - 2015-04-14 20:18:39 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:

My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one.
Fanatics? Sometimes in life you have to choose a side. The New Order is clearly on the right side of history in this case promoting gamplay that is not only engaging, but demonstrably makes Eve a better game. All the nerfs that have made highsec a paradise for those that click one button and then go make a sandwich or play with their kids may appeal to certain type of player, but are detrimental to a vibrant and interesting New Eden. CCP Seagull is on to this and the inevitable decline into stagnation this type of gameplay leads to, and she has initiated changes that are underway to correct years of caving into pleas for safety from these type of players.

Edward Gibbon wrote:
But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.

You can play Eve how you like. But Eve is a PvP-centric sandbox where players compete for power and resources. It is not a space-themed Farmville clone where you can gather resources in isolation from other players. The New Order does not insist you do anything other than be subject to the risk that the developers intended. If you have an issue with that, take it up with CCP who has deliberately coded the ability for suicide gankers to operate in highsec into the game.

Edward Gibbon wrote:
I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting.
Me too. And the New Order is some of the most intersting emergent gameplay to come along in years.

Edward Gibbon wrote:
That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.
Oh? Mining is too difficult for you to do then? Perhaps your real-life responsibilities should take precedent. You are not entitled to AFK mine. You are not entitled to make ISK with one click while doing something else. This is by design. If you can't accept that there are plenty of other games out there where you can progress with zero effort or opposition. Eve just happens to not be one of them.

Edward Gibbon wrote:
It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.
What? Please present this evidence of toxicity. Agents of the New Order are infallibly polite and seem to enjoy thier work. How do you conclude that blowing up spaceships within the intended rules set out by CCP is toxic?

If your only interest in Eve is mining AFK, then perhaps you should consider spending your time and entertainment budget doing something a little more aligned with your desires than playing in a open-world, single-universe PvP game solely as a prey item.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#51 - 2015-04-14 20:22:47 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:

Uh, yea, this is why CODE exists.


So a ship, sitting in space, doing literally nothing, is a massive problem?

I'll keep an eye out on this thread, but I think my question has been answered.




Your ship might not be a problem, but it is a target.

If you can't tell the sameness, this game really isn't for you.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Dominique Vasilkovsky
#52 - 2015-04-14 20:29:39 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
There are asteroids outside of high sec, they're about to get a lot better too.



Very true, and I make a good profit from them too. But there's also great asteroids in 0.7 space where I can leave some drones to protect me from rats while I spend half an hour in the back yard with the kids trying to catch butterflys :)

I'm curious where you can mine asteroids in highsec that last 30 minutes before they go pop... unless you use a civilian mining laser.
Hengle Teron
Rorquals Anonymous
Two Maidens One Chalice
#53 - 2015-04-14 20:38:21 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet?

They're not on our troll sniffing level. *snickers xD*

Damn.
He's getting so many hits.
Makes me really envious.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#54 - 2015-04-14 20:58:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Here is what you do. Get a jumpclone with no implants whatsoever. Then fit a procurer with T1 everything but fit a damage control 2 and a reinforced bulkhead in the low slots, with some shield modules in mid.


It's going to be more effort to gank you then it's worth, and even if they do bother it wont repeat if they don't find it worth it.

How do you make it not worth it to them? First off don't even respond to them, and sure as hell don't give protection money as that paints "gullible" on your back and they will just gank you anyways then make up some silly rule you broke, like undertanked shuttle. Having that fit above makes the gank almost not worthwhile of the loot (that might not even drop), but some people don't care about isk anyways, so not giving them any convo or response after the gank leaves them pretty much no reason to return and they may as well go gank a retriever instead in search of supply for their sadistic tendencies.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#55 - 2015-04-14 21:08:31 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

CODE. is actually shrinking in numbers


Source
?

Also, we're recruiting. Speak to John E Normus, Loyalanon or Tengu Grib.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Black Pedro
Mine.
#56 - 2015-04-14 21:17:36 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Here is what you do. Get a jumpclone with no implants whatsoever. Then fit a procurer with T1 everything but fit a damage control 2 and a reinforced bulkhead in the low slots, with some shield modules in mid.

Here's a better idea: do something, anything, to actually play the game. Tanking out a Procurer so you can make ISK in isolation while you watch Netflix is not engaging gameplay. Fly a yield-fit Hulk and pay attention to local. Fly a bait Skiff and try to catch a ganker in the belt. Sit in that belt in a Retriever and tell war stories to the other miners. Please do anything other than isolating yourself from the sandbox, pressing F1 and wandering off from your computer thinking you are actually playing the game.

You can play Eve however you want, but AFK mining is almost not playing Eve at all. If you are finding your interest in Eve wavering perhaps it is because you have choosen the least engaging profession imaginable rather than some theoretical threat from the New Order.
BrundleMeth
What IU Doing
Brothers of Tangra
#57 - 2015-04-14 21:34:55 UTC
Edward Gibbon wrote:
...I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time.
Hows incredibly boring, you're the last person I want to play with. When playing a game to escape the drudgery of real life, having to hear about someone's kids in game is way too depressing...

Quote:
...then I'll play other games.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...Here's your hat, what's your hurry...etc, etc...
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#58 - 2015-04-14 21:35:49 UTC
Every spaceship is a glorious explosion in waiting for the glory of our lord Allah.
BrundleMeth
What IU Doing
Brothers of Tangra
#59 - 2015-04-14 21:38:01 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Every spaceship is a glorious explosion in waiting for the glory of our lord Allah.

Makes me want to fart...
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#60 - 2015-04-14 21:42:00 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet?
There is always the possibility that they are geniune ( or that a miner will read my response and want to know more.)
Quite a small effort to help throw spanners in CODE's way of play.


Helping by sending people to not existing anti-gank groups? Perhaps you better teach him to be not AFK and how to fit his barge.
I sent him quite a bit of advice along those lines and directions to other resources.


Let's hope he learns from it, but I doubt he will.