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Should character trades also include the SKINS bought by the player?

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Phoenix Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-04-03 15:26:03 UTC
Prior to the release of the new SKIN's project, I believe a discussion is needed regarding the trading of characters on the character bazaar and their SKIN licenses. The only reason I bring this up is that the new SKIN program will turn into one of CCP's new forms of monetary transactions. We cannot trade characters and assess a value for them regarding the ISk on them (except negative wallet isk) or the ships they have, (see https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread ).

Instead of imposing my own opinion (which I do not have at the moment), i will simply ask the question


Should trading a character on the character bazaar include the SKIN's purchased by the character?

Will or should SKIN's be a factor in the purchase? How would they me monitored?

Thoughts?

Yaay!!!!

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2015-04-03 15:30:20 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:

Should trading a character on the character bazaar include the SKIN's purchased by the character?




Of course not.

Read the sticky at the top of the CB. It would not be allowed under the current rules and I don't see those rules changing any time soon.

Mr Epeen Cool
Hengle Teron
Rorquals Anonymous
Two Maidens One Chalice
#3 - 2015-04-03 15:32:32 UTC
Though, skins once applied, will be stuck with that character.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#4 - 2015-04-03 15:33:55 UTC
arent skins account wide?

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2015-04-03 15:37:17 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Though, skins once applied, will be stuck with that character.


Sorry, I didn't realize that. I haven't been paying much attention to the mechanic except in skimming the blog.

I'll need to take back what I said then until I go over this stuff in more detail. This may actually end up being an interesting thread.

Mr Epeen Cool
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#6 - 2015-04-03 15:39:01 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:

Should trading a character on the character bazaar include the SKIN's purchased by the character?

Will or should SKIN's be a factor in the purchase?


The logical answer - Yes. Blink

They're permanent, just like SP.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#7 - 2015-04-03 16:30:41 UTC
Interesting question!

I have taken the liberty of relaying it to CCP and have asked what their official stance on the matter is.

Depending on the answer, I will write a proposal for a rule change in the Character Bazaar, to avoid confusion and different rule interpretations when the new SKINs system is implemented.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Memphis Baas
#8 - 2015-04-03 18:03:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
As far as we know right now, skins are character-bound, not account-bound, so it would make sense that they be considered as part of the character being sold. Like plugged-in implants, agent standings, etc.

On the other hand, if CCP allows SKINs to be transferred via painted ships (like the Quafe skin - if you have the ship you get the skin), then technically you can keep all your skins with an alt on the account by just contracting some painted ships to the alt, and CCP may decide that skins aren't part of the character itself, since it's easy to transfer them.

Guess we'll wait and see what their decision is.
Hengle Teron
Rorquals Anonymous
Two Maidens One Chalice
#9 - 2015-04-03 18:12:18 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
As far as we know right now, skins are character-bound, not account-bound, so it would make sense that they be considered as part of the character being sold. Like plugged-in implants, agent standings, etc.

On the other hand, if CCP allows SKINs to be transferred via painted ships (like the Quafe skin - if you have the ship you get the skin), then technically you can keep all your skins with an alt on the account by just contracting some painted ships to the alt, and CCP may decide that skins aren't part of the character itself, since it's easy to transfer them.

Guess we'll wait and see what their decision is.

They will probably convert all the "painted ships" to a normal ship + skin
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-04-03 18:23:43 UTC
You are buying the character. No more, no less. you are not entitled to their ISK, their job, their wife or their mortgage payment. WTF would you expect this?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#11 - 2015-04-03 18:29:48 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
You are buying the character. No more, no less.


Yeah. Except for any remaps, resculpts, implants and any other bound items I missed.

So if these skins are character bound then it's quite possible that they will be included as well. Though I hope CCP comes up with a solution that makes them unbind on character transfer.

Else the Character Bazaar is going to get a lot more confusing.

Mr Epeen Cool
Vyl Vit
#12 - 2015-04-03 19:12:26 UTC
I so love living in a culture which main function in existence is shopping (while claiming existence serves no purpose so let's all just consume!) It makes for such interesting conversation.

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-04-03 19:14:13 UTC
You must've read the newly discovered work by Nietzsche, The Vapid Nihilist about the nihilist who does it all his way,
but has no direction.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2015-04-03 19:43:50 UTC
this SKIN system is starting to sound messy. What?

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Phoenix Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-04-04 12:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
this SKIN system is starting to sound messy. What?



It's a new system is all. We'll see what CCP says. Ccp may make more money if they make the person rebuy their own skins when they trade characters. That would be making the system more account bound than character bound. Tracking skin choices on the bazaar would be a bit of a pain, if that were to be included into the pricing scheme.

Yaay!!!!

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#16 - 2015-04-04 13:01:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
Memphis Baas wrote:
On the other hand, if CCP allows SKINs to be transferred via painted ships (like the Quafe skin - if you have the ship you get the skin), then technically you can keep all your skins with an alt on the account by just contracting some painted ships to the alt, and CCP may decide that skins aren't part of the character itself, since it's easy to transfer them.

Guess we'll wait and see what their decision is.

As far as I understood; the 'if you have it, you get it as SKIN' rule is only going to apply when they launch the system.

Anything else would be silly really. One guy could supply all of EVE with permanent skins via contracts Big smile

*EDIT*

As for them being included in character transfers, they have to be. They are tied to your character.

Just like implants and standings, it carries over with your character - the only reason why assets aren't allowed as part of character sales, is because they aren't tied to your character, and thus, don't automatically transfer with the character system. It would be a support nightmare for CCP having to manually follow up on all trades to see if the assets were truly transfered as well.
Reislier
#17 - 2015-04-04 13:34:20 UTC
If I buy a character.. I prefer you do not lobotomize his implants, erase skills, peel off skin, or strip naked.
If you do.. maybe you remove name too.

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CCP Falcon
#18 - 2015-04-14 16:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
SKINs will move with a character, as such we'll allow the selling of characters with SKINS, and people can factor them into the sale value of the character.

That said, any scamming or misleading information in relation to SKIN ownership on a character will be treat the same as an attempt at a character sale scam.

There'll be an update to the rules before the release of SKINs to take this into account Smile

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#19 - 2015-04-14 16:56:17 UTC
Fair ruling; money paid that enhances the value of a character.

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Phoenix Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-04-14 17:18:48 UTC
Very good. Thank you for the response.

Hopefully the names/types of skins on the character will show up in the API info for reference and easy checking.

Yaay!!!!

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