Missions & Complexes

When I was in null doing anoms I was using duo of these:

[Dominix, spider armor]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Sensor Booster II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Sensor Booster II

Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Remote Armor Repairer II

Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I

Bouncer II x5
Warrior II x5


Warp at 100k, drop sentries, lock each others and run cap transfer or RR when/if needed. Easy mode but I was manually locking and shooting rats, no assist mumbo jumbo.

I would say for L4s duo sentry domi is more than enough no matter how you fit them unless you failfit completely. One of them can do L4s no problems assuming you are not an idiot with triggers in heavier missions.

Edit:

About rats sentry aggro: they tend to shoot them but if you keep an eye on your drones' health bars all you need is scoop that one poor guy back to drone bay, wait some time and redeploy it. Or if you go with RR fit you can just rep your sentry although I found it more time and attention consuming than just sacrificing little dps by scooping it for a moment. Also it's not like whole spawns are shooting only your drones, it's usually just one or two rats, frigs and cruisers most of the times.

Yeah, my fit was specifically for anoms where you have freedom of warping in at desired range. MJD was more about having possibility to jump away if layout of an anom put rats actually right next to me instead of at range.

With my skills each of my duo domis makes 650 dps with optimals of 82k and falloffs of another 60 - 70k. Drone control range is few kms short of lock range which is 150k+. With such ranges you don't need a lot of tank and that's why I only had hardener and 2 x EANMs in lows. Could probably go with single EANM but whatever.

With missions more often then not you have a gate which takes you into mission pocket so either use MJD to get range or as Xylem suggests fit for enough tank to survive initial blast and just slug your way out with sentries. Domi is a great sentry boat when used properly and offers quite a lot of fitting options to different tastes and play styles. Use it to your advantage.

If you can fit t2 modules, you are good without RR in L4 missions.
99% of time I clear pocket at beacon.

I see so either fits are more than enough for lev 4 missions when dual boxing Domis. Well this is the fit I wanted to do when doing C3's and I wanted to use the lev 4 missions as a training ground to become more efficient at using the 2 RR domis.
For C3's I'll switch out the Wardens II's for Hammerhead II's

Highs
1x DLA II
3x Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
2x Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer

Mids
1x Large Micro Jump Drive
1x 100MN AB II
2x Omni Tracking Link II (Tracking Scripts)
1x Heavy Cap Booster II or Cap Recharge II or another Omni Tracking Link II (optimal range script)


Lows
3x DDA II
1x DC II
2x EANM II
1x Coreli A-Type Explosive Plating


Rigs
2x Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
1x Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II


Drones
5x Gardes II
5x Bouncers II
3x Wardens II
10x Hobs II

This fit requires CA-1, CA-2 and a 3% CPU implant. When doing C3's I'll be using a armor/info link booster and a scanning/salvaging toon.

Hi,

I ran a RR Domi pair in null for several months and made billions, so I'd say you're definately on the right track there.
I know your question was re level 4's and then C3's, but this may be of interest......

If you drop the extra Large Remote Repair Augmentor I and fit a Large Egress Port Maximizer I instead, with the appropriate skills (Remote Armor Repair Systems and Capacitor Emission Systems), you can be cap stable while dropping the 3rd Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II.

Why bother? well that should remove the need for implants, and leave room for a nice Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I.
Not needed in level 4's but very handy in more dangerous space for when any unwanted guests arrive. One of those will shutdown anything fast enough to warp in and catch you, two will give serious difficulties to larger ships.

To reduce the amount of clicking locking targets and directing two sets of drones, I'd recommend using drone assist and therefore using a Target Painter on the "shooter", and a Remote Sensor Booster II with a Scan Resolution Script on the "Assister" for faster locking on the "shooter".

You'll then be effectively flying a single Domi with 10 drones, just remember to use squad/fleet ward when leaving
e.g.

[Dominix, Shooter]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Coreli A-Type Explosive Plating
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
100MN Afterburner II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cap Recharger II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II

Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II



[Dominix, Assister]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Coreli A-Type Explosive Plating
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
100MN Afterburner II
Remote Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Cap Recharger II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II

Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II


When you're more confident with the whole setup, you could drop the extra low tank mod to get the 4th Drone Damage Amplifier on there for more DPS

I found that in anoms, by the time you've fleet warped in, adjusted the range as warping in at 100m can land you anywhere between 70km and 110km for "reasons", aligned to a safe spot / POS, setup the remote cap transfer, armor reps, dropped both sets of drones and setup the drone assist, the rats have already started aggroing one of the Domis, so they left the drones alone thereafter.

With regard to wormholes, I've found the rats AI very different with drones being targetted much more, Sleepers close range very quickly making the longer range sentries with lower tracking less useful.
Make use of the test server when perfecting a setup there.

HTH

Not a problem, glad it helped.

I can answer that one quite easily, you'll be more cap stable with 1 x Large Egress Port Maximizer I and 1 x Large Remote Armor Repairer I. 48.5% in fact assuming max skills, as opposed to 38.4% with 2 x Large Port Egress Maximizer I's or 2 x Large Remote Repair Augmentor I's.

You can try out the fits with your characters and test this using the fitting tool PYFA

If you put the API keys in for both your characters, then copy the fits in my post into the clipboard one at a time, go to the ships tab on PYFA, Edit menu, From Clipboard, and you'll have the ship imported.

Do that for both the "Shooter" and "Assister" fits, then you can drag/drop one ship fit (from the ships tab) onto the "Projected" tab (at the bottom of the window), of other ship.

You then alter the character dropdown on the top right hand side to have the correct character in each Domi, so the correct skills will be applied to all the fittings and projected armor repairs and remote cap transfer.

Be aware though, that you can't then drag e.g. the shooter ship onto the assister projected tab, as it sends PYFA into some sort of infinite loop You'll have to create a 3rd ship, and drag and drop that one to check the stats on the other ship, if that makes sense.

Its easier than it sounds, just ping me an email if its not clear.

For WH's you're going to have to Omni tank.
You can check out what you're facing with regard to incoming DPS and damage types here Sleepers

I'd be interested to hear how you get on with that when you get to that stage i.e. whether its possible to get the Domis RR setup and the drones out before the Sleepers close the range down as some of them do over 1900m/s.
Maybe you could MJD away, but then maybe only a couple of sentry volleys could be fired before the sleepers closed range again.
Perhaps consider heavy drones with a Drone Navigation Computer II for close range work?

I have no practical experience of that apart from research on the Test server, but I look forward to reading how you get on at some future point. It could be very profitable if perfected........depending upon losses to hostiles of course

2x domis -> faceroll level 4s.

personally I would fit a local rep, as it is just more convenient, setting up a cap/rep chain every time when multiboxing just gets old, and plenty of rooms will be a no problem clear with 2x deeps ships, its like the NPCs get confused between 2 ships and 10 drones. And there is always the chance of ewar, a few cap transfers and you very quickly can top up on the cap.

oh yea, and might want at least one offensive module so you can use drone assist.

Well, I'm just trying to find the most efficient way to generate isk and I heard the WH's provided the best. I have 6 chars in all that I'm training atm. 2 of them I'm training for RR Domis, 2 for NM/Paladin, 1 for Fleet Boosting/Scanning, and 1 for Cov-ops/salvaging/scanning with each around 14-18 Mill SP. I have 2 chars with cov-ops trained so scouting shouldn't be an issue, but if I add the time it takes to scan down the WH's, investigate to see if its active, set-up and bookmark safespots/mobile depots, I'm actually thinking I can make more isk per hour just running lev 4's in addition of it being safer. I plan on trying incursions with my 2 NM chars in a month when they mature, but I really wanted to give the RR domis a go at it first because it seems the learning curve for flying 2 RR domis is gonna take some time. I thought about joining a corp but it seemed more confining when joining a corp due to corp rules/policy and not to mention the possibility of getting awoxed. I'll probably just stick to level 4 missioning atm but for future reference do you know anything about running incursions Mr. Moor?

How many accounts do you have?

Are you training some of your accounts into Orca's? They are very useful for moving your fleet around & would give you an option for a moving base in WH's.

I get the impression that dual boxing is frowned upon in incursions, but you could position them in different regions for closer access.

You should make sure that every char that goes into a WH has basic scanning skills and probe launcher available.

Deep in Eve has some detailed posts about how he uses his 3 RR Domi setup in Wh's and Null.

Join a decent corp and they will help you out. If you want to go to wh's you will be doing a fair amount of pvp. If your goal is purely to make isk, then a null renter corp is what you should be looking at.
I personalty think mjd's are not needed in hs missions, but each to his/her own
I would also check what rats you plan to shoot, if you go purely rr and on is jammed you might find yourself in trouble.

From my experience, the best way to run a drone due is to not do it at all, ie have one in a drone ships, and assign the drones to the second character in another high dps ship. Make use of a cap chain if you need. Micro managing two drone ships is a pain and takes a fair amount of micromanagement as your drones will get aggro.

You probably better of going in one mission specific BS and one domi and just assign the drones. ie, if you shooting em week rats, go in a NM and assign drones from domi, setup a cap chain and you will have no cap problems. You want your non drone ship to have turrets as things die fast and you will wast missiles. That said, using a ham tengu with assigned sentries can do some real damage to them red crosses in guristas space

Everyone will have their own way to play, you need to find yours, the test server is your friend. Joining a crop with your same goals is key in eve.

GL out there