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Yabarushinya Vladmir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-04-11 02:44:02 UTC
Hello All

I am looking for help / guidance on how to get this issue resolved.

Someone on 4chan posted they were giving away ISK, i went in game joined their corporation and received some minerals. I sold them and thought I was super lucky cause I suddenly had serious bank.

However last night it was all taken off of me, I was put into a 650,000,000 debt and sent an email accusing me of buying ISK.

I only just started the game about a week ago, not only would it be impossible for me to earn that but I cannot even sell anything - it won't let me. I have no way that I can continue playing.

I don't understand why a GM would do this, they are accusing me of buying currency but I didn't. I just converted my trial for a 6 month membership, paid for plex and everything now I cannot do anything except fly my capsule into a worm hole and wait for the death that lies on the other side.

Can you please help? I created a ticket but no one is replying so I thought perhaps someone in here can share some advice? Surely I am not the first to innocently find themselves in this situation. I get that no one believes anyone anymore but for what it's worth I honestly did not ever buy ISK or do any trade outside of the game.

Xavier.
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#2 - 2015-04-11 03:10:24 UTC
It's possible that the person doing the give away was using a stolen account. We can only guess the cause though. You're gonna have to wait for CCP to respond.
Orlacc
#3 - 2015-04-11 04:08:06 UTC
Right. I do all my above-board dealings on 4chan.

It is kind of easy for CCP to trace RMT.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2015-04-11 04:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
- it takes about a week for a reply on your average day-to-day petition case. In your case... I would expect something closer to a month.
The reason for this is that CCP (the company that owns EVE) has to manually check and research each and every petition to make sure that their ruling is more or less accurate.


- EVE Online is notorious for scamming.
In this case, it sounds like you ran afoul of a money/ISK laundering scam. The guy who was offering up the money gave you something to sell to him... which he could probably jettison or sell or build into something and leave it for another account to pick up and/or destroy abahablkjebrbrbeklwj...

It's complicated... okay? You were basically scammed.
And no... even PLEX is not sacred. There are many stories of people who lost 72 PLEX (that's not a typo) because they were ganked on the undock point of a station.


- There is not really much you can do at this point except wait. Hopefully you will be reimbursed (if you are telling the truth and are, in fact, an innocent and ignorant bystander).
But chances are that CCP will just "nuke" all the accounts involved and call it a day (just to be sure). They REALLY don't tolerate Real Money Trading.


- In your situation... I would roll a new character and start fresh.

How did you Veterans start?
Vazik Tyros
The Tyros Clan
#5 - 2015-04-11 04:16:33 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Right. I do all my above-board dealings on 4chan.


This ... lol.
Phoebe Vladmir
SEMCA
#6 - 2015-04-11 04:18:04 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Right. I do all my above-board dealings on 4chan.

It is kind of easy for CCP to trace RMT.


I am not surprised that you choose not to believe me, but your disbelief doesn't change a thing though. There is NOTHING in the rules against giving ISK away, and that 's what this anon was doing.

I gave nothing in return, so it wasn't a trade or RMT.

I have no doubt that CCP is acting in regards to something not above board, however I am simply stating that I am an innocent party in all this, albeit ignorant at the time, however not at all deliberately malicious.
Phoebe Vladmir
SEMCA
#7 - 2015-04-11 04:23:04 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
- it takes about a week for a reply on your average day-to-day petition case. In your case... I would expect something closer to a month.
The reason for this is that CCP (the company that owns EVE) has to manually check and research each and every petition to make sure that their ruling is more or less accurate.


- EVE Online is notorious for scamming.
In this case, you ran afoul of a money/ISK laundering scam. The guy who was offering up the money gave you something to sell to him... which he could probably jettison or sell or build into something and leave it for another account to pick up and/or destroy abahablkjebrbrbeklwj...

It's complicated... okay? You were basically scammed.
And no... even PLEX is not sacred. There are many stories of people who lost 72 PLEX (that's not a typo) because they were ganked on the undock point of a station.


- There is not really much you can do at this point except wait. Hopefully you will be reimbursed (if you are telling the truth and are, in fact, an innocent and ignorant bystander).
But chances are that CCP will just "nuke" all the accounts involved and call it a day (just to be sure). They REALLY don't tolerate Real Money Trading.


- In your situation... I would roll a new character and start fresh.


Okay, I just really dont want to have to start all over again.

Do you know if I can still somehow transfer my stuff to another character?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2015-04-11 04:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Phoebe Vladmir wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
- it takes about a week for a reply on your average day-to-day petition case. In your case... I would expect something closer to a month.
The reason for this is that CCP (the company that owns EVE) has to manually check and research each and every petition to make sure that their ruling is more or less accurate.


- EVE Online is notorious for scamming.
In this case, you ran afoul of a money/ISK laundering scam. The guy who was offering up the money gave you something to sell to him... which he could probably jettison or sell or build into something and leave it for another account to pick up and/or destroy abahablkjebrbrbeklwj...

It's complicated... okay? You were basically scammed.
And no... even PLEX is not sacred. There are many stories of people who lost 72 PLEX (that's not a typo) because they were ganked on the undock point of a station.


- There is not really much you can do at this point except wait. Hopefully you will be reimbursed (if you are telling the truth and are, in fact, an innocent and ignorant bystander).
But chances are that CCP will just "nuke" all the accounts involved and call it a day (just to be sure). They REALLY don't tolerate Real Money Trading.


- In your situation... I would roll a new character and start fresh.


Okay, I just really dont want to have to start all over again.

Do you know if I can still somehow transfer my stuff to another character?

Well... since you don't have any ISK... there is a way. But it is a bit risky.

- make a new character.
- open up the EVE Mail window in-game
----- go to the upper left corner of the window and select the little strike-mark icon
----- set your CSPA charge to "0"
----- close the window
- make sure your new character can fly all the ships and stuff you want to transfer
- log off

- using your "burnt character"...
----- undock in a ship (any ship) and warp to the farthest celestial (planet, moons, whatever)
----- in the middle of warp, hit ctrl-B (or open up the "People and Places" window and click the "make bookmark" button on the bottom)
----- repeat this process again so you have two bookmarks for the same place.
- send an EVE mail to your new character
----- drag and drop the bookmark you made in space into the mail
----- send the mail
- warp to your bookmark in a ship filled with your stuff.
----- when you reach it... right click your ship, "Leave Ship"
----- Rinse and repeat
- warp to a planet or something
- log off

- using your new character...
----- open your mail and save the bookmark.
----- warp to the same planet that you logged off your burnt character
----- log off

- log back in with your "burnt character"
- go to your "People and Places" window again
----- drag and drop one of the two bookmarks you made into your cargohold
----- right click the item and jettison it into space
- log off

- log back in with your new character
- grab the bookmark and drag it into your "People and Places" window
- warp to the bookmark in your new character
- log off

- log back in with your "burnt character"
- warp to your bookmark in ship(s) filled with your stuff.
----- when you reach it... right click your ship, "Leave Ship"
----- Rinse and repeat
- log off when done

- log back in to your new character
----- right click the ship(s) you desire and jump into them.
----- warp them back to the station
----- "leave ship" and undock again.
----- warp back to the bookmark
rinse and repeat


edited because I was dumb.



ALTERNATIVELY...

- make a contract (left side bar) on your new character that lists all the items you currently own... make sure it is issued to your "burnt character"
- on your "burnt character"... make sure all the items are repackaged (select, right-click, repackage).
- open up the contract... accept trade

edit: I should note that you need to earn about 10 to 20,000 ISK on your new character before you can make a contract.


ALTERNATIVELY...

- transfer all your assets to a trusted 3rd party via the same method you were scammed with (trade window).
- have that trusted 3rd party transfer it to your new character via the same method.



I would be more than willing to help you with that last method... but out of simple fear of getting entangled in the web your are currently caught in I would want to wait a month or so until your petition with CCP clears (for better or worse).


Like I said... start fresh. You can honestly learn more about this game by doing this that if you simply "cheated" and began with whole bunch of stuff.
For reference... look at the links in my signature.

How did you Veterans start?
Justin Zaine
#9 - 2015-04-11 07:12:14 UTC
Shahfluffers can he not just dock his new character in the same station as the burnt character and do an in-station trade? That would be by far the simplest solution.

Or is that not possible with a negative wallet?

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#10 - 2015-04-11 07:32:01 UTC
Justin Zaine wrote:
Shahfluffers can he not just dock his new character in the same station as the burnt character and do an in-station trade? That would be by far the simplest solution.

Or is that not possible with a negative wallet?

This demands a new account.
OP said he paid for six months already,
so a new account would be a poor choice.
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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-04-11 11:32:08 UTC
Just wait for the ticket to get answered.

Art of Explosions
Memphis Baas
#12 - 2015-04-11 12:02:57 UTC
Yabarushinya Vladmir wrote:

I only just started the game about a week ago. [...] I have no way that I can continue playing.


First, they are probably not going to reverse the wallet; you got items worth ISK out of nothing, and they can't really track whether or not you paid or received real world money for it, so ultimately it's just your word, and CCP has heard enough excuses from RMT'ers that they're not going to believe you are innocent.

Second, just create another character on that account; you have 3 character slots. Your character is one week old; it can't have that many skill points. You'll start with 0 balance, but doing the career missions will give you some ships and gear worth approx. 10 million, and at that point you can get a PLEX from Account Management, go to Jita and claim it, then sell it for your 800 million starting capital that you seem to be after.

Third, don't RMT. Beware of "free" gifts, and google "eve online scams" for some guides of what to also avoid in-game.
Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
#13 - 2015-04-11 13:03:32 UTC
If it's worth anything, I frequent 4chan pretty often, and someone giving away a large amount of ISK is not unusual at all.

I've given away a lot of things on 4chan. Everything from whole Steam games to in-game money and items of other games.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-04-11 18:23:38 UTC
Phoebe Vladmir wrote:
I am not surprised that you choose not to believe me, but your disbelief doesn't change a thing though. There is NOTHING in the rules against giving ISK away, and that 's what this anon was doing.

I gave nothing in return, so it wasn't a trade or RMT.
Well, look at it this way: Assuming I want to embark in RMT. I know that my account and IP would get banned, so I ask a friend to create a throw-away account, buy the ISK and then give the ISK to me.

Your situation looks exactly like that in the logs and that's why you got banned. It might very well be that that 4chan person specifically created this situation to make you look like a RM trader and cause pain to you. It'll be really hard to prove that you are a victim here - they might believe the 4chan post, but unless there are other victims, it'll still look shady.

As Shah said, there are way to transfer your items to a new character on the same account.
Phoebe Vladmir
SEMCA
#15 - 2015-04-11 23:25:30 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Well, look at it this way: Assuming I want to embark in RMT. I know that my account and IP would get banned, so I ask a friend to create a throw-away account, buy the ISK and then give the ISK to me.


You are just throwing unnecessary attitude around like you know what you're talking about, for example:

Thomas Builder wrote:

Your situation looks exactly like that in the logs and that's why you got banned. It might very well be that that 4chan person specifically created this situation to make you look like a RM trader and cause pain to you. It'll be really hard to prove that you are a victim here - they might believe the 4chan post, but unless there are other victims, it'll still look shady.


This reads as if you are someone important at CCP and you have investigated my case? Only I know you haven’t as 1) I wasn't banned just all my arms and legs smashed to bits and left in a hangar to rot and 2) There is no way my situation "looks like that in the logs" because its simply just not what happened.

Honestly I don't get the attitude problem from a small few of you, I didn't bloody RMT and no one benefits any at all from people being asshats rather than helping someone out who didn't do anything wrong and just got caught up in this.

To those who have helped me, I really appreciate it. I am just unwilling to start again knowing how much time gets invested in these games and now knowing how little of a crap is given by CCP towards players that could well be innocent its just not worth it. I can deal with getting surprised wasted by PVP whilst minding my own business and having to start over, I can't deal with GMs with ichy trigger fingers. I absolutely 110% agree with the action against me if I have done RMT, but I didn’t which proves that NASF is given by CCP and I am just not willing to risk a career of EVE on the mercy of CCP not deciding again at some point "I am a bad guy" without accurate evidence.

So far the support ticket has remained unanswered. I'll leave it there but unless it gets fixed I think I'll just move on from EVE and they can just keep my money (well played) as I have no recourse (again well played).

thanks again everyone.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-04-12 00:48:22 UTC
Just remember this: if it looks too good to be true, it usually is.

Very rarely do you get something for nothing, this applies to life as well as EVE

Art of Explosions
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2015-04-12 01:19:45 UTC
So OP you tried to get something for nothing and discovered that there was a catch. Then you came here into the forums to complain that you tried to get something for nothing and got screwed. Then you complain about people giving you attitude about complaining about being taught a lesson. There is an old saying that if something sounds too good to be true it probably is. You did not follow that advice and now you learned why it is a saying. Chalk it up as a lesson learned.

One more thing, so after you tried to file a petition and could not wait for it to be answered you came here and asked for help on a situation that only CCP can "help" you with and then complain that people trying to explain it to you are not CCP employees.

If you can't see where the attitude is coming from I don't know what to tell you.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli
Phoebe Vladmir
SEMCA
#18 - 2015-04-12 01:33:54 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
So OP you tried to get something for nothing and discovered that there was a catch. Then you came here into the forums to complain that you tried to get something for nothing and got screwed. Then you complain about people giving you attitude about complaining about being taught a lesson. There is an old saying that if something sounds too good to be true it probably is. You did not follow that advice and now you learned why it is a saying. Chalk it up as a lesson learned.

One more thing, so after you tried to file a petition and could not wait for it to be answered you came here and asked for help on a situation that only CCP can "help" you with and then complain that people trying to explain it to you are not CCP employees.

If you can't see where the attitude is coming from I don't know what to tell you.



oh so much hate. I have addressed all of that in earlier posts, you're just looking to flame.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2015-04-12 01:55:34 UTC
Phoebe Vladmir wrote:

oh so much hate. I have addressed all of that in earlier posts, you're just looking to flame.

There's no hate. I have no dog in this race for me to get emotionally involved. I was just showing you how things look from a perspective outside yours. You can take it for what it's worth or not.

I'm not looking for my post to be addressed or for you to do anything. If you want to whine and cry go ahead. However this is the New Character Q&A section of the forums and there are many of us that invest a lot of time in helping people genuinely looking for help.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli
Herateis
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-04-12 02:38:43 UTC
Some people shouldn't play eve. Its too much like the real world in terms of needing to be wary of others.
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