Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, that's an outright lie, since we have no statistics on how many people quit because of ganking.
The only statistics we have are that 1% of players under the age of 15 days get suicide ganked..... Which involves said player having something worth suicide ganking in their first 15 days for a start.
And that 'some' of them then quit.
There was also a much larger group that had 'consensual PvP' which implied they either accepted a duel under possibly false circumstances, went suspect, or went into low sec. And we also know some of those quit.
So even in the first 15 days we have a much larger group who quit because of PvP than 1% according to CCP.

We have no idea how many players a bit older quit because they personally got ganked, and how many quit because their friend got ganked and they couldn't do a thing to stop it.

So.... don't peddle lies. Much as some people need to get over the fact ganking happens, you rampantly lie about things surrounding ganking constantly trying to push the pro ganking agenda to make it even easier for you to gank and make a profit doing so.

On the topic of wardecs, Wardecs are extremely powerful already and don't need a buff.
What does need a buff is reasons to be in a player corp, and that needs a buff on the carrot side, nerfs on the NPC side will just make some people quit.
And reasons to not remake a corp to avoid a wardec. It should always remain possible because all the proposed 'solutions' actually allow for real grief decs to exist and to force people out of the game for weeks on end. So again, it needs to happen as a carrot, there need to be advantages to a corp staying intact for a long time, and those advantages need to be visible and affect the daily life of it's members.

100% voluntary is not "extremely powerful".

In fact it's extremely weak.



LOL.

First you go after me for using actual data, then you spout this bullshit?

Back that up right now, or admit that you lied. You have absolutely no basis to suggest that finally giving NPC corps the nerf they so richly deserve will negatively effect retention.

Proving once more that you guys just don't read what I post at all. I guess "basic logic" doesn't include basic reading skills.



Of course you think this, because you think all non consensual PvP is griefing.

In reality, PvP conflict is the intended state of this game, not farming red crosses and chewing on rocks. One is interesting and improves player retention, the other is a glorified Facebook game that people can't justify subscribing for.

You already said chewing rocks and farming red crosses is PvP. Make your mind up.

The biggest issue with HS wardecs atm is that there's no incentive for the defender to actually put up any kind of fight..... coz if they win, then the aggressors just dock up and present a pretty huge risk to making any serious money, if they lose, they lose

I think there need to be consequences for the aggressor in a war to discourage wardeccing for troll-kills, before war-decs can be addressed, but if you fix that issue, you might find wardecs don't need fixing

More on topic, I'm hoping that the new structures will allow easily for switching between offensive and defensive abilities and that a pilot will be able to dock as if it was a huge imobile ship to command it as a battlestation. This might encourage people to leave their towers up in conflict.

Failing this there could be a 24 hour cooldown timer on base operations before the station can be unanchored. This would present a real risk to standing one up but would then need the benefits of the tower to match those in losec/null as you are equally exposed to risk but with much smaller ships and resources available for defence against a large aggressor.

Here, for Nevyn and the rest who still insist on using the tired old narrative that "griefing" makes people quit.

CCP disagrees.

Removed some off topic posts. Keep it on topic and civil. Thank you.

So direct CCP Rise quote: The strongest indicators for a new player staying with EVE are associated with social activity: joining corps, using market and contract systems, pvping, etc.

Note that PvE players tend to do the first 4 of that 5, thay also tend to engage in invention and exploration. That's somewhat more than the narrow PvP Combat field. All elements are required pure and simple.

If you want people to be more social then propose ways to actually improve the wardec system rather than simply force it on people as this absolutely will not engage them.

Once again you aren't offering anything constructive here, give ideas on how to engage people in the process as they will simply find more ways to avoid the issue or make it very expensive for the aggressors for no gain at all. It isn't a strawman it is simple fact that people playing a game will not do something they fo not wish to, they will avoid it or quit the game. If what you do isn't fun then you simply won't do it one way or another.

As the direct quote from CCP Rise that you so kindly provided points out all aspects of EvE are required for a healthy game, not just PvP. Simply because you don't like them for not liking PvP is not a valid reason to force them to partake in it.

Look at it from both sides, forcing people to PvP for any viable way to play the game is akin to forcing PvP players to mine all required minerals and build avery ship and module they wish to fly before they can do so. To get people to try something different you need to give them a fun reason to, and that's fun to them, not fun to yo as a PvP player.