Player Features and Ideas Discussion

most people will instantly dismiss theses. but

rig will expand the ore hold of the ship its fitted to by 20%
Drawback of the rig is a 20% reduction to shield hp

or even 10% reduction in shield, armor and structure hp

meaning if the lazy ones want more space, they lose even more hp, making them easier to gank
easier to kill means more wrecks, more content and higher prices.

all bay rig would be exploited I believe by ship maintence bays

I assumed they were a different class, if you mean the ones assembled ships go in.

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No, there are nowhere near enough gankers to balance the effect the increase in efficiency will have on the economy. Every bot fleet and multiboxer will have these installed in Skiffs/Procurers and dump even more ore on the market which is the last thing we need with the coming crash in highsec ore prices due to the nullsec ore changes.

Quite a lot of mining gets done in nullsec. The main problem with nullsec mining is that you rapidly run into the point where mining highends nets little more than the highsec ores, and if you are going to mine highse ores you might as well be in highsec.

But with the incoming ore composition changes, the highend ores will have a spread of mineral types roughly that which is required for mass production, instead of needing to import massive amounts of tritanium from highsec. I expect massive increases int he volume of ore mined in nullsec.

So nullsec already has higher reprocessing, higher yield with Rorqual boosts than anything you can get in highsec, soon to be an all in one place in the correct ratios supply of minerals through respawning anoms, better ice, and depending on the alliance, higly controleld space where you can mine in yield fit mackinaws more safely than highsec.

I can't honestly say I think nullsec mining needs any buffs at this time.

TLDR: I don't see a need to let miners be even lazier than they already are.

Lowsec mining exists?

J-Space miners are rare like unicorns in a brothel. Really the only reason you bothered mining before was because it was less hassle than bringing in three bajillion hauler runs of ore in order to build dreads or carriers in class 1-4 WH's. But with the highsec compression structure, you can haul in all the minerals required for dreads or carriers in a few trips max.

Between ore anomalies not requiring a scanner anymore, and the lack of local, mining in WH's is incredibly rare and for the most part only briefly done by people who quickly learn not to bother. I lived in WH space for 6 months last year, and I only saw three times in which someone was mining.

Well three times when I scanned into the hole. Zero when I left :P

TLDR: As long as Ore sites are anomalies, lowsec and J-space can be safely ignored because fuckall mining happens there.

Increasing ore hold size will not suddenly destroy the economy. Yes, it could potentially increase overall efficiency by reducing the amount of time spent moving back and forth from the belt the the POS/station. But it is balanced by the reduction in tank, and thus risk.

Better yet, just change cargo rigs to effect specialized bays.

I agree these are long overdue. Also I'd like to see more specialized bays. For example, I'd love to see an ammo and charges bay which would be the only place to load ammo and charges from. That would allow CCP to balance the various bays by ship purpose.

Though I imagine if these rigs came we also might see a general decrease in specialized ore hold sizes to compensate, much like when freighters became fittable.

A miners defense against bad guys has less to do with shields, armor or structure and more to do with agility. Basically the best defense is to warp of to safety. What I'm saying is your drawback for the ore hold rig is not a drawback that matters. Change it to an agility nerf and you might gain a bit more support.

While I think many aspects of mining need improvement, diminishing the importance of a miasmos or other mining support craft is a dead end goal.

The fleet role of any barge should be to liberate ore from its majestically drifting captors. What happens after that should be governed by the efficiency of fleet organization and investments.

To that end, I'd like to see barges have resource discovery roles. It would be lovely to see some expanded utility for scanning or finding rocks. A simplistic example might be boosting yield by continuously running an ore scanner on a rock, with a bonus to scanner yield boost. Not very entertaining, but a step in a logical direction.

The sooner CCP starts thinking about ships as having "deep space" roles even within a single solar system, the sooner it will come clear what is needed from them, and how to turn them into good game content.