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CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
Negative Feedback
#21 - 2015-04-07 15:19:25 UTC
Bowbndr wrote:
My point here is that there are many issues that I would like to discuss, not just cloaky camping but many other game mechanics that are questionable.

for example, Trade hubs. or as I refer to them Gank hubs. worthless places as far as I am concerned.

HS extortionists. these people prey on HS by breaking the rules. and yet it is allowed.

Many actions in eve would appear to be violations of the TOS, and yet they are allowed. and with that I await the locked topic.


Which rules have been broken? Which actions are in violation of the TOS?
Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2015-04-07 15:23:18 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Bowbndr wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Bowbndr wrote:
so are they tring to make null more like wormhole space?
Low Sec 2.0 + maybe some worm holes.
that idea gives a different light to all the changes I have been seeing
The changes in June are aimed at having lots of little gangs spread all over the place and roaming through Null SOV.
What does that sound like to you?

Not to mention a solo cruiser can take over a structure if it is not attacked, so spread out cruisers all over a region and attack all the structures.
Griefers are going to love the new system to harass Null SOV without intending to actually take and defend it.



that is my point, you have groups that take time, effort and isk to upgrade a system, and now any noob with the right frig can come take sov away? sorry but that would seam to be going backwards.
Eve Solecist
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#23 - 2015-04-07 15:26:15 UTC
Aaaand OP is a wannabe goodguy.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#24 - 2015-04-07 15:26:43 UTC
CompleteFailure wrote:
Bowbndr wrote:
My point here is that there are many issues that I would like to discuss, not just cloaky camping but many other game mechanics that are questionable.

for example, Trade hubs. or as I refer to them Gank hubs. worthless places as far as I am concerned.

HS extortionists. these people prey on HS by breaking the rules. and yet it is allowed.

Many actions in eve would appear to be violations of the TOS, and yet they are allowed. and with that I await the locked topic.


Which rules have been broken? Which actions are in violation of the TOS?
I too would like to know this.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#25 - 2015-04-07 15:27:35 UTC
Bowbndr wrote:
... and now any noob with the right frig can come take sov away? .
Again, why take the SOV away? Just threaten to take it to make the defenders panic and force them to fight you; when you are prepared and they are rushing about trying to get ready.

Go into a system during the week and log off, wait for everyone to be in place then hit all the structures at one time.
Make the defenders warp and jump bridge around, put out scouts and log off when they are responding.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

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Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2015-04-07 15:27:53 UTC
CompleteFailure wrote:
Bowbndr wrote:
My point here is that there are many issues that I would like to discuss, not just cloaky camping but many other game mechanics that are questionable.

for example, Trade hubs. or as I refer to them Gank hubs. worthless places as far as I am concerned.

HS extortionists. these people prey on HS by breaking the rules. and yet it is allowed.

Many actions in eve would appear to be violations of the TOS, and yet they are allowed. and with that I await the locked topic.


Which rules have been broken? Which actions are in violation of the TOS?



the one that comes to mind right off the bat is rule 16 of the TOS

You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules.

Code dose this daily and CCP calls it a valid game tactic.
Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2015-04-07 15:31:05 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Bowbndr wrote:
... and now any noob with the right frig can come take sov away? .
Again, why take the SOV away? Just threaten to take it to make the defenders panic and force them to fight you; when you are prepared and they are rushing about trying to get ready.

Go into a system during the week and log off, wait for everyone to be in place then hit all the structures at one time.
Make the defenders warp and jump bridge around, put out scouts and log off when they are responding.



that is part of what I don't understand, how is anyone supposed to defend a system ? from what I have seen they would have to keep a defence fleet logged in and ready to fight 23/7.

I would have to agree that this will end up being another grievers patch and I have come to call them
Jenshae Chiroptera
#28 - 2015-04-07 15:35:16 UTC
Bowbndr wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
Which rules have been broken? Which actions are in violation of the TOS?
the one that comes to mind right off the bat is rule 16 of the TOS
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules.
Code dose this daily and CCP calls it a valid game tactic.
Quote:
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
I think you misinterpreted that one.
There is a difference between actively using your ship to kill someone and putting a lot of junk around to spoil their game while you are offline.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2015-04-07 15:36:08 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Aaaand OP is a wannabe goodguy.



I'm not saying that. the rules are there for a reason. whats the point of bothering with them if they are just going to be changed because a new player wants to fly carriers or be able to kill a player that has been playing for many years.

I get that changes are needed from time to time to keep the game exciting, but honestly I don't see how any of the sov changes are going to do anything but make null sec industry a pointless effort.
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-04-07 15:36:46 UTC
This thread is the dumbest thing ever. Sorry it's true.
1. Cloaky Camping is vastly over rated. Unsuccessful at Everything has written a large peice that holds true in my (limited) expirience with it.

2. You don't like Trade hubs. Ok don't go to them.

3. HS Extortionists breaking rules -- ? I have never seen this. I have seen ignorance of the rather specific rules that govern highsec and people abusing them. That may warrant a topic but I have not seen unpunished -breaking- of rules.

4. You will have to give examples, and I assume they will be examples that infact do not break any rules. I would reiterate there are the "practical" rules and the "actual" rules. Only one group is usually enforced, in society and in games. (When was the last time you saw someone ticketed for J-walking)
Jenshae Chiroptera
#31 - 2015-04-07 15:37:43 UTC
Bowbndr wrote:
how is anyone supposed to defend a system ?
You do not defend it.
Stage out of NPC Null or Low Sec and control the Null Sec moons then extort anyone who tries to live in systems that appear to be empty.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2015-04-07 15:39:15 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Bowbndr wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
Which rules have been broken? Which actions are in violation of the TOS?
the one that comes to mind right off the bat is rule 16 of the TOS
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules.
Code dose this daily and CCP calls it a valid game tactic.
Quote:
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
I think you misinterpreted that one.
There is a difference between actively using your ship to kill someone and putting a lot of junk around to spoil their game while you are offline.



killing is just HS ganking , and while that is another matter entirely, Code also harasses HS miners and bumps them out of belts. this was the rule quoted to me when I was bumping goon miners out of a belt during one of their hulkagedon events. why dosent it apply to Code the same way?
Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2015-04-07 15:42:00 UTC
Daerrol wrote:
This thread is the dumbest thing ever. Sorry it's true.
1. Cloaky Camping is vastly over rated. Unsuccessful at Everything has written a large peice that holds true in my (limited) expirience with it.

2. You don't like Trade hubs. Ok don't go to them.

3. HS Extortionists breaking rules -- ? I have never seen this. I have seen ignorance of the rather specific rules that govern highsec and people abusing them. That may warrant a topic but I have not seen unpunished -breaking- of rules.

4. You will have to give examples, and I assume they will be examples that infact do not break any rules. I would reiterate there are the "practical" rules and the "actual" rules. Only one group is usually enforced, in society and in games. (When was the last time you saw someone ticketed for J-walking)



So you are saying that the rules are subject to how a particular person interprets them?
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#34 - 2015-04-07 15:42:36 UTC
Bowbndr wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Bowbndr wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
Which rules have been broken? Which actions are in violation of the TOS?
the one that comes to mind right off the bat is rule 16 of the TOS
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules.
Code dose this daily and CCP calls it a valid game tactic.
Quote:
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
I think you misinterpreted that one.
There is a difference between actively using your ship to kill someone and putting a lot of junk around to spoil their game while you are offline.



killing is just HS ganking , and while that is another matter entirely, Code also harasses HS miners and bumps them out of belts. this was the rule quoted to me when I was bumping goon miners out of a belt during one of their hulkagedon events. why dosent it apply to Code the same way?



rule quoted to you by whom? were you banned? unless a gm or dev tells you to stop then its fair game pretty much. Billy bob in corp x is not ccp

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#35 - 2015-04-07 15:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Bowbndr wrote:
killing is just HS ganking , and while that is another matter entirely, Code also harasses HS miners and bumps them out of belts. this was the rule quoted to me when I was bumping goon miners out of a belt during one of their hulkagedon events. why dosent it apply to Code the same way?
A GM advised James 315 that if he made up some rubbish that looked like role-playing and they were extorting miners rather than just harassing them then they could continue to do what they were doing.

(There needed to be an "ISK" reason rather than a "lulz" reason for bumping them)

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#36 - 2015-04-07 15:43:55 UTC
And to answer your question, you search for the open thread and add your idea to it. This keeps the forums from being uncluttered and keeps all topics in the same area.

if a topic is closed and you cna;t find an open one, you make a new thread and don;t rant.

it really is not that difficult.

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Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2015-04-07 15:44:48 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Bowbndr wrote:
how is anyone supposed to defend a system ?
You do not defend it.
Stage out of NPC Null or Low Sec and control the Null Sec moons then extort anyone who tries to live in systems that appear to be empty.


this would seam to me to be just another way of putting more of the important assets of Null in to the hands of the big coalitions that can afford the fleets to defend these moons
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#38 - 2015-04-07 15:45:12 UTC
Bowbndr wrote:
killing is just HS ganking , and while that is another matter entirely, Code also harasses HS miners and bumps them out of belts. this was the rule quoted to me when I was bumping goon miners out of a belt during one of their hulkagedon events. why dosent it apply to Code the same way?

There is an official ruling on bumping:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=199310&find=unread

Players will quote rules no end, but that means little. Only GMs can rule on what is or is not against the rules. Bumping is one thing where they've made it clear.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#39 - 2015-04-07 15:46:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Bowbndr wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Bowbndr wrote:
how is anyone supposed to defend a system ?
You do not defend it.
Stage out of NPC Null or Low Sec and control the Null Sec moons then extort anyone who tries to live in systems that appear to be empty.
this would seam to me to be just another way of putting more of the important assets of Null in to the hands of the big coalitions that can afford the fleets to defend these moons
Well ... yes.
Null Sec will become a nice honey trap to kill lots of little gangs, corps and alliances that have dreams of holding SOV.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2015-04-07 15:46:41 UTC

Code dose this daily and CCP calls it a valid game tactic. [/quote]
Quote:
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
I think you misinterpreted that one.
There is a difference between actively using your ship to kill someone and putting a lot of junk around to spoil their game while you are offline.[/quote]


killing is just HS ganking , and while that is another matter entirely, Code also harasses HS miners and bumps them out of belts. this was the rule quoted to me when I was bumping goon miners out of a belt during one of their hulkagedon events. why dosent it apply to Code the same way?[/quote]


rule quoted to you by whom? were you banned? unless a gm or dev tells you to stop then its fair game pretty much. Billy bob in corp x is not ccp[/quote]

It was a GM, and that toon took a 30 day ban for it.
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