EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hello all,

This is my 5th, maybe 6th stint at sticking with EVE, and i have resubscribed just yesterday. I am yet to log in though..

I love the idea of EVE. I don't think there is a game out there that does space like EVE does. The coldness of it, the colours of nebula in the background, the atmospheric music as you are travelling at warp speed through the system, the models of the ships - both PC and NPC ones. Absolutely stunning game.

Yet it's intimidating as hell. Not the learning curve, i am aware of that. I have dabbed into several high sec activities, such as missioning, mining, PI, exploration and scanning, as well as FW in small roaming groups. But for some reason i find open PVP daunting. The fact that i have to look at every single name in Local with those paranoid eyes, thinking whether he's just flying through the system or actively hunting the next prey.. It's taking away from the enjoyment of the game and everything it offers.

I come from a vast MMO background, and yes - i am aware of the conundrum of "dying in your ship vs dying as a character". Ships are tools, they are meant to be destroyed so that you can learn the game. But i also find it very demoralizing after each lost ship - flying back to the station, bouncing back and forth between systems to (yet again) purchase the mods, weapon loadouts, ships at affordable price, etc. How do you guys do it? Do you just purchase in bulk and keep it all in one place?

Anyways.. i am fully aware of what EVE is, and i will not give up trying to fit in. So i guess i'm just looking for tips - how do i get over the intimation factor? How do i simply say "heh, there goes another ship - back to the drawing board" without actually feeling defeated?

See you guys out there!

Just keep doing it. Your killboard suggests that you only PvP'd in FW for one day.

Join a corp, fly with other people. EVE is a big place, and you don't have to tackle it all alone.

Losing ships is a part of Eve Online. You'll need to get used to that.

As far as PvP goes, Eve is a game of conflict and PvP will happen, even when you don't want it to.

You can enjoy the game quite a bit and you don't need to be PvP oriented, but you should be comfortable with the idea that no matter where you are in space, someone may attack you.

As for a stockpile of ships, many who do PvP will keep a inventory of their ships a fits on hand. This allows them to reship quickly and get back into the action. You've probably heard the saying "don't fly what you can't afford to lose." So keep your stockpile reasonable and don't sink your wallet into just a couple or even a few ships.

If you want to get over your reluctance towards PvP fit out a gank destroyer (such as a Catalyst with T2 blasters) and go out and suicide gank someone. You're guaranteed to lose your ship. Knowing that going in will give you a real appreciation of what a ship is, and as you've said, they're simply tools. You do this once, and even if the gank doesn't work you'll feel much better towards PvP.

The gank fit will probably cost you between 7 to 10 million, which is peanuts. Don't insure it since you won't get insurance back if you suicide gank. You can find fits by browsing killboards of gankers and looking at their Catalyst losses to Concord.

You've poked at FW before so you can always fit up some frigates and head into lowsec FW space, look for FW pilots in sites, and take them on. You'll lose a bunch of times, but I bet more often than not, you'll find that they just fly away.

Pilots shouldn't be freaked out about losing a ship. I've lost a few that I could have avoided and at least one that left me shaking my head. I just picked up the pieces as it were, and carried on. Not a huge deal. I didn't like the one loss in particular but I laugh it at still the same.

Just be prepared for losses and mitigate your resources for them. You'll be fine.

As others have mentioned, get involved with other pilots, ideally in a corp. If you want to get over the PvP curve, find a corp that caters to helping noobs get involved with PvP. Many corps will offer ship replacement programs (SRP) and this helps you get over losing ships, since they replace what you lose (the hull at a minimum).

Primarily, by having a stack of 100+ hulls and the associated piles of stuff for fitting back at your base.

Even with no industry skills, no source of minerals, and no income apart from occasional missions or FW loyalty points, building a giant mountain of tech 1 crap to fall back to costs you essentially nothing. If you're taking anything T2 out into PVP and you don't already have an entire combat log full of the shattered corpses of your T1 builds then essentially you're doing PVP wrong.

To the extent that you can "do it wrong", anyhow. If you don't care about your expensive crap blowing up experimenting with it is a valid choice, it just sound like you DO care.

As the above posters said : stick at it, it gets easier.

There are a few ways to get in to pvp that are new player friendly and don't require you to be full time, full on obsessed with it:

Redemption Roams run events open to anyone usually several times a week. Look up the character Greygal ingame, join the mailing list for details of events and ship fittings. They don't require any minimum of skillpoints and all are welcome

Agony Unleashed: still run their pvp classes, they have a forum, mailing list to announce classes, wiki with all the information you need on ship fittings (always new player friendly), setting up comms, etc etc

Other groups: Spectre run free public events though I don't have any personal experience of them, they see very active though, there are always many people in their public channel

Bombers Bar, like Spectre I'm not sure what they are up to but I think they are active

I was in Noob Mercs years ago but I joined after their glory days and they weren't very active then, but it was more probably because I wasn't ready at the time. I found Agony a better introduction as I liked their structured way of doing things. But that is just personal preference.

There are more and easier ways to get into pvp now than when I started and you can commit as much time and effort as you want to. So play the game your own way and do stuff you enjoy.

Just don't lose ships. That's how I handled ship loss when I was a cute newbie.

More specifically I placed a very heavy.emphasis on surviving engagements rather than destroying the opposing ship and on picking fights I could win based on ship capabilities. However I did that in highsec back when newbie PVP in highsec was actually possible. Obviously that option is not available anymore.

Yup, gotta agree with a lot of folks above.

The best way to get past the loss and get to the point where ships are AMMO, not you is to use them and lose them.

For me it was making a bunch of frigates for one of my other characters and systematically flying them and losing them, every chance I got. Recording what happened and what I did right or wrong. Size of flett, who ran it. Solo or gate camp. All of it until a ship loss became a shrug and a smile and a reship.

I admit this is very hard for new players because they cannot afford the isk to build up the immunity. But there you go

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What you're describing is the reason I play eve. Its that awsome low sec high

Sounds like this isn't the game for you. Most people are searching for that feeling you're trying to avoid.

Thanks for the great tips guys! :)

I will definitely keep them all in mind this time. I am super excited to jump back in and will be actively looking for a good corp to make the "transition" easier.


See you all out there!