EVE General Discussion

One can always dream about the quality of that feedback.

Not sure if it's been said before, but Null space data and relic sites such as Serpentis, Angel, Guristas, etc, don't have rats, nor do their similarly named equivalents that can be scanned down in wormholes.
(Make sure they're a NPC named one as if not you'll wind up dead by angry sleepers.)

The only risks in these sites are other pvp players getting you, but if you do it right and are attentive, you'll rarely get killed by someone jumping on you, and there can be massive profits from it if you're lucky.

There was a lot of good feedback and constructive arguments, and there were even a few people who have at least partially agreed with some of what I said...

There were also trolls, but never mind those.

Anyhow, I understand that having tried everything but the PvP element of the game, I, perhaps, am not yet qualified to discuss certain aspects of the game, but some of the things I mentioned actually have nothing to do with PvE but with the combat system in general.

But I guess some players that are more experienced than I absolutely adore EVE's combat system so I maybe I shouldn't try to break up the romance.

Just one thing I have to mention. Elite: Dangerous and Star Citizen will be coming out (eventually), and, by the looks of it, those games will have a combat system greatly more intricate and satisfying than EVE's D&D sort of :

226 damage hit penetrates
86 damage hit grazes...

...thing, with non-damageable modules and spells that freeze ships in space and time because some developer can't figure out how to properly balance Battleships vs. Frigates type of combat in PvP.

Someone it this thread said that if it weren't for the Webifier, faster ships could just ran out of Warp scrambler range when they get ambushed somewhere? Well, isn't that why people usually opt for faster ships, so that they could out run stuff?!

And honestly, I think that frigates are more menacing when they're closely orbiting around you so that the guns on your bigger ship can't track, and Webifier just indiscriminately removes that option...

Also, as far as I can tell, drones out run everything so perhaps giving those slower ships a decent drone bay would solve that particular issue?

In any case, I'm pretty sure that the Web isn't the solution. It is the problem.

But again, this is JUST ONE INEXPERIENCED player's opinion, so I could be way off base here.

I'll try some PvP and then get back to you. Perhaps my opinions will change by then.

Lately, I have been doing some mining, manufacturing and trading in order to up my ISK and have found the process to be very enjoyable.

I think that part of EVE is very well constructed.

As for Exploration, I keep finding Combat sites which I easily clear and salvage with my Moa, but I haven't found that many Relic/Data sites yet. I just keep finding Wormholes which I'm too chicken-sh*t to enter.

I saw that Emergant Threats trailer and I'm scaredz of them slepperz. I mean, if they so casually go about blowing up Ravens, just imagine what they can do to me...

Another opinion incoming, those scanner probe controls on the solar map are waaay too clunky.

Anyway, I'm enjoying this game enough that I have already upped my status to a paying subscriber.

Highly addictive. Just the way I like it...

Thanks for all the posts, even the ones that are insulting for no good reason.

See you in game...I might even let you explode me and stuff.

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Which is an aspect of the game you're not qualified to discuss lol. EVE is completely interconnected, you can't consider something in isolation from everything else, it just doesn't work that way.

As has been explained, the 'combat system' is the way it is for a wide variety of reasons, not the least of which is the technological limitation imposed by having an open world type game that doesn't have artificial load balancing mechanics aka 'instances' and 'shards'.



This is a big mistake that reveals where the flaws in your thinking come from. No one talks about 'loving' EVE's combat system. But we do talk about understanding the 'necessary evils' in it's design.

For instance, EVE doesn't have anty kind of 'line of sight' mechanics, every time we fight we are shooting through solid objects like other players ships , asteroids, gates, etc. On it's face, that is ridiculous.

But that ridiculous thing makes gameplay possible when you have several hundreds of people playing against each other on the same 'grid'.



And now you've gone from misinformed to ignorant. Elite and SC have (or will have) mechanical limits on how many people can be in one place at one time, you can do that when you mechanically limit the numbers of variables per second a server has to compute.

Remove those mechanics (ie let 1000s of Elite and SC players being the same place at the same time) and watch those game programs crash and burn./ EVE just slows down under those conditions.



So everyone would jsut outrun stuff. The eve economy NEEDS destruction to keep going, if ships didn't explode because everyone was flying 9k per second Svipuls, how fun would that be?



I'm glad you're paying, but you'd do yourself a great favor by being less judgmental about a game's design before fully experiencing the game. Your comments are like that of a video game reviewers (where they scratch the surface of a game then write a lengthy treatise about how much the game sucks lol). The problem is, until you experience the rest of it, what you have to say is in and of itself invalid.


TL;DR after you've been in a few 10% TiDi fights, come back here and tell us all about how you think EVE's servers should be burdened by having to make even more calculations per second with a 'more detailed combat system' and how this would make for a more enjoyable experience lol.

Don't be a prat. If you manage to stick around for a year you will look back on this thread with shame.

Ask more questions, pass fewer judgments. You sound silly.

Seeing someone post compliments about EVE just made my day... So used to see people complain over the most stupid things.

Well, it's one pretty sweet a*s game.

I do have one complaint though.

I want more Caldari ships that look like the Cormorant and the Moa...cause them Caldari Battle-cruisers are ugly as heck.

And don't even get me started on the Battleships.

Neither of those make you qualified to discuss EVE's combat system, in particular since your posts belie your last point.

No, it doesn't work that way. Had you caught on a bit more quickly (or just researched the topic), you would be a bit more qualified to comment on the system without making such fundamental errors.

There are some pretty significant differences between PvE and PvP that require the things you apparently do not like about the system, such as the ability to inhibit motion. They serve only some incidental purpose in PvE, and are critical in PvP — in both cases because of how the two types of combat are interconnected in the overall economy of the game.

Oh, and…You understand that pretty much everyone who's actually involved in making these kinds of games are hugely impressed by how EVE does it, yes? One more thing that some research (and 20 years in gaming) would have taught you. No-one else does anything even remotely similar.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how you make a counter argument post that contains ZERO actual counter arguments.

Such solid statements like "You're wrong..." with no elaboration on how or why I'm wrong.

Or as Borat would say: "Great success!"

General Discussion truly is a cesspit. Other sections aren't too bad though.