Ships & Modules

Between 60-80M/hr consistently, with spurts up to 100M/hr.

EDIT: Before LP.

He does have a good point. Tho I will add that I consistently noticed logi pilots getting ignored for invites. (Again shiny only *sigh*) Tho atleast you are starting at around 100M for the ship instead of nearly a Billion. That will leave room for putting the good stuff on that gets you invites.

I started training for the logi role. However I just feel it in my bones that CCP is going to swing the nerf bat hard at incursions before I am ready to make any serious funds with it.

Actually the really good setups aren't really expensive, since they don't relay on over pimped tankes, just on good hulls(Bahl, Pala, Legion, NM) and the pimp in the DPS/Web/T2 weapon rigs. Also the main difference about making a good buck or just sitting around like back in the days is fleet discipline and organization. I just tried out a new Incursion channel yesterday, and even with Megas and pretty bad fittings(Vindi w/o FN webs are pretty fail) we where able to pull off a acceptable runtime out of the sites(with some NM help and lucky me the fitting is build around working without webbing support). The main difference however was after every site you had someone that needs to leave or take a small break, people where more focused on small talking than the actual incursion and overall ISK/h was pretty much crap. It is much more about dedicated people than dedicated ships/fittings, however most people that are serious here are far more likely actually bringing a good setup. This is one of the major difference to stuff like Legion Blitz gangs or good Assault gangs, stuff like this isn't acceptable there and gets you replaced with a more effective player(no matter what hull you fly) and since this most likely also pulls good fittings and players in, it doesn't come at a big surprise that this fleets steamroll sites under competition.



The reason because you can go light on tank in good gangs is that you most likely will also have good logis that are on the ball. You can take the same tank in a gang with 2 T2 RR fitted Logi 5 setups w/o hitting less then 80% on the tanking layer or 3 random logis wile constantly hitting below the 50% ballpark because somebody doesn't pay attention. VGs don't even push you as a good logi, since you should have anybody locked/in watchlist, the more tricky part is to catch people in Assaults+ that forget to post by confirming visually what ships takes the damage and marking the RR target to the other logis as Logi FC or starting cycle schemes in the cap chain to keep cap heavy/neuted ships running while keeping every logi caped up at the same time.

I can remember people forming Assault fleets in the early days, 1h formup, by a guy that never FCed such sides, with T1 Snipers that forget long range ammo, Ravens that forget SBs and Logis leaving right in the site because they had something better to do. The reason this fleets where just a wast of time for anybody evolved was not that the lack of expensive hulls but the lack of organization.



Depends a lot what kind of fleet you are in and how good it is organized. A well FCed Legion only fleet can pull off the 100M+. In my opinion it is a lot more about you being effective in your ship, knowing what counts(200M for faction damage mods and FN webs does, super pimped tanks don't), knowing yourself how to run the sites very efficient and being a good team player.

Thanks everyone for the feedback:)

Re ppl leaving after one site: how long (sites and time) does an incursion op usually last?

Also, I'd be most grateful if smb pointed me to some decent incursion channels(armor ones, since I'm set on a legion)

For Shield VG's

Vindi has the highest DPS and the Nightmare has the highest applied DPS w/o webs

The mach is inferior to both ships. I ran the math for all 3 BEFORE the blaster tracking buff

Armor fleets - Navy issue bs, or Legion, Loki, Protues, Absolution, Paladin, Bhaalgorn, Vindicator, Kronos, Mach. Logi - Gaurdian or Oneiors. Any of these ships would be ideal, ask for recommended fits, fit all t2 except for rigs, and you should get picked up somewhere along the way. I fly a Navy Mega, i FC when i look for members those t2 and t3 ships get my first pick.

i dont fly shield fleets so... i see machs, nightmares, tengu. ect ect ect lol

Optimal armour VG Fleet
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Legion
Zealot
Absolution (Harbinger sub)
Bhaalgorn (loki sub)
Onieros
Guardian
railgun-Proteus

2 logistics
9 damage ships or 10 (max)

It's all connected, and originate from the fact that Mach handles not like a BS, but one hull size smaller. Sig, in particular, is a factor in its locking speed being competitive with Legion. Agility is responsible for align and bounce. All are interrelated to "handling." Fly it first, then look at stats, and you'll see why it handles the way it does. Just EFT, and you'll miss everything that matters.

@ Goose 99 sig rad don't have anything with locking speed scan resolution does and it cant touch legion one when fitted with correct sub but it is fastish to lock for a battleship.

NM or Mach as main raw dmg dealers

Bhaalgorns and Vindis as webers

odd loki or sleip here and there

logis all flavors.

lowsec incursions add up to 100m/hour even for the newbies in hurricanes that join up. It's pretty cool cash and because it's lowsec we don't get the annoying publords that sperg about everything.