Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Can you describe what it this playstile? Exactly how they make isk with this playstile, what they doing day after day ect. Skill plan ect... i want all information

You don't making isk by perma cloaking ? Are you sure ? (i can proof af cloacker win isk)

All perma cloacer do the same as you ? Or they have other way to win isk ?

Noting you have no answer other than bluster.

I agree CCP Wrangler, but if you have a counter. Actually you have no counter so the game is not "fun" for people who are harass by "perma cloack people". How many perma cloack people ask people in system to have isk? How many (and just see the forum) do hit just because they like make "cry more carebear" ? If you want i just take log of some discusion with perma cloacker and i can go i justice against they. Actually you have harassment.
It's a game mechanic if you have a counter, if no counter is not a "game mechanic" , it's free harassement.


Stop read only 2 line of an article and said " yea article said was i want". Read full an you see for exemple this :
"Le harcèlement est la répétition de propos et de comportements ayant pour but ou effet une dégradation des conditions de vie de la victime. Cela se traduit par une altération de la santé physique ou mentale de la personne harcelée."

How many people play to eve to escape real life? How many people can be hurt in they're own life because they can't do nothing vs people who perma harass they? (don't answer read forum you will see, and 1 is enough).

"Un seul propos insultant est un délit d'injure, des propos insultants répétés plusieurs fois peuvent être considérés comme du harcèlement, plus sévèrement puni."
How many no RP trash talk do you have by perma closer to make people undock ? (and yes not only the problem of perma cloack, but for other you have a counter, not for the perma cloack).

"Le harcèlement en ligne est un harcèlement s'effectuant via internet (sur un réseau social, un forum, un jeu vidéo multijoueurs...)."
Yes in video game this law work.

If you want i can continue a long time. But definitely AFK cloack need a counter to avoid to be free harassement.
In eve you can counter scaring, you can"t counter afk cloack. It's the difference.

The reality in fact : You have perma closer afraid by a nerf because they can make isk only with this, have KM only with this. They said all people are no happy with perma cloaking are care bear and they must die (in game). To do it they harass, just read the forum what is the goal of perma cloaking ? in a lot of case make moral harassement " you can"t play time who i'm here , paid me or loose your fun, you can't kill me i can kill you i'm so strong in the shadow". So actually is not a game ( define of a game in france by Larousse: "Activité d'ordre physique ou mental, non imposée, ne visant à aucune fin utilitaire, et à laquelle on s'adonne pour se divertir, en tirer un plaisir")


Now with a counter yes you can continue to make "moral harassment" but if a gam mechanic offer a counter it's not a moral harassment , but a part of a game because the hunter and the target can have fun. The hunter because he can continue to try to kill people, and the target because he can kill the hunter without wait day and day to have a few hope to trap during 30 sec in 1 day the perma closer if he moves. The twice part have fun, so cloaking become a true part of a game and no more problem with the law for this.



And to conclude: Perma cloack must be nerf for the law, and for the game design (less perma closer, more pve/mining in 0.0, meas les system with no people in 0.0, means more target to roam pvp, all player can win with a nerf of perma cloack). And people who play only with perma cloack must make the thing they said to "carebear" when they are in a system : adapt or die.




Et en Français parce que apparemment tu sais lire le français mais de travers : Un texte sa se lit en entier et tu aurai vus que le terme comportement apparait, bien que il est vrai dans la page parlant du net l accent est mis sur les propos, mais les comportement compte aussi dans le cadre global, je t'invite a lire au pire la loi brut a ce sujet. Concrètement CCP wrangler le dit lui même Eve est un monde obscur. Mais Eve est un jeu, et partant de la ils se doivent d'avoir des limites, et la concrètement la limite c'est la lois elle même.

A PvE player moving systems is an effect... It doesn't lower the income into null, but it forces player behaviour.

Isotope fueled mode -gives cloak
Run out of fuel -no cloak

System Observatory decloaks everything in system for 5 minutes -the truly afk are going to die and they deserve it because this is EVE, it's about PVP, it's about never being safe in space unless you are docked. the people at their keyboards are gonna bounce safes or do a safe logout -but their position might have been scanned down.

Why don't we simply arrange for cloaked ships to not be overwhelming to PvE ships?

Strictly for ships mounting a covops cloak:
Put in a mechanism that delays any cyno use, till at least one minute after the last use of any cloak.
(Gate cloak included, if the ship has a covops cloak mounted on it)
Tie this into cloaked ships not appearing in local while cloaked, and for one minute after dropping any cloak.
(Again, gate cloak included, if the ship has a covops cloak mounted on it)

Arrange for confidence with PvE ships in PvP encounters with covops ships.
Not terribly hard, they need simple and practical options for fitting that still permit reasonable ISK income, while having DPS & EHP that makes them consider a covops boat landing on them to be entertainment, instead of doom.

Covops boats aren't supposed to be in the same league as frontline PvP ships, in combat, but having them on the same level as PvE just makes good game sense here.

After that, noone cares if the cloaked player is AFK, as noone can be taken seriously claiming they are too afraid to undock with the cloaked player around.

If you think he is a troll, then perhaps I did. It just rubbed me the wrong way, like all those: "He is AFK so he can't hurt you!" and "Cloak should use fuel!" comments.

Equally trolly, but people respond without fail (myself included).

Well put !
It's not the Cloaky guy in system I have an issue with - it is the ability to influence this game while being afk for no risk. A trickle use of fuel would balance this somewhat I suppose as mentioned above...every few hours. No worse than being able to set your own timers when convenient for you.