EVE General Discussion

An accurate description of CCP right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWo-vDVajns

With two monitors I can control two account extremely well without the need of ISBoxer.

Why is it morally right to be allowed to control two accounts well, but it's not O.K. to do the same with 5 accounts, or 10 accounts, or N accounts?

Why is controlling 2 accounts efficiently not considered cheating and running 10 accounts efficiently is considered cheating?

Why?

Why is it O.K. for groups of players to do this, but not O.K. for a single player?

I just don't understand why groups are considered morally superior to solo players.

I am open minded and willing to try and understand why groups are better, but in a sandbox game I just don't understand why it is O.K. for 10 people to fly 10 ships and do what they will, but it is not O.K. for 1 person to fly 10 ships and do what he will. In game terms there is no difference. The 10 ships controlled by 10 players have the same effect in the game as the 10 ships controlled by the one player.

I just don't understand. I would like to understand, but I just don't understand.

I am Controlling 10 boxes without breaking the eula.
and still ccp is missing with a clear Statement here.

nolak i have to disagree. the Video Shows a CLEAR line. what you can and what you cannot do. no matter how ridiculous it is.
ccp is not drawing a clear line.

Just because those players were not using any broadcasting does not mean they weren't breaking the EULA in a different manner. I personally have only seen 2 youtube videos of a multiboxer who wasn't breaking the EULA and the thing they had in common was, all the clients were controlled individually.


If you beleive the CSM have that much power over CCP, get a CSM to change CCP's mind.


Quite correct Isboxer doesn't break the EULA. BUT..... IsBoxer can be used to break the EULA. That is a distinction you seem incapable of understanding. The people who are using IsBoxer and getting banned are not getting banned for using IsBoxer. They are getting banned for breaking the EULA.


They changed their minds. You should be greatful CCP gave notice that they were going to start enforcing their EULA.


-1.I understand there was a round table discussion at fanfest. Lucas mentions it in an earlier post. I wasn't there myself but Lucas mentions asking questions about this subject.

-2Nothing wrong with IsBoxer. Using IsBoxer to break the EULA is wrong though.

CCP's stance on this is really clear to me. They even published a little flow chart to help people. Instead of looking for a way around the EULA, just play the game.

It depends yeah. If you've reported them and you notice they're still around they probably passed the check

For some things it's possible to multibox quite a lot without having to use broadcasting or the other now illegal mechanics.

You still haven't answered the question of why group play is considered morally superior to solo play?

That would be because I don't think group play is consider morally superior to solo play.

Solo players can play as many accounts as they want too, the same as group players can. How efficient a player is, is down to the player.


It wasn't taken away. CCP just decided to start enforcing their EULA. They even gave you advance notice.


You still can. You're just not allowed to break the EULA whilst doing it anymore. If you are not capable of defending yourself without breaking the EULA that's your problem.

Its been a while now, most poeple move on and take blows in life for granted and regroup. Find new goals and targets. I whish anyone the same. The thread turned into a sad display of bitternes over a subject the majority of players agree. No matter how the same poeple going to turn my words over and over.

Also eve is going up, not down in logins and other metrics. Dont try to make the whole thing bigger then the few hundred accounts affected. Noone misses a bombrun of 3 waves of 20 bombers in total done by 1 guy, honestly we dont. Nor ever will.

Ccp will not role back on this, if anything data and inquiry show its so the right decision, and no you dont get too see them, nor try too manipulate them. You want to test the borders of words and actions, try, maybe you get lucky, maybe u ll burn your fingers. Noone using a normal eve client, starting it 3 times to perform different tasks on them ever gotten in trouble. All mentioned examples are ways to push ccp, or the boundaries, go for it, if thtas your thing, dont cry if it fails.

Abusing csm is also funny, no csm member agreed on the use, and all suported the ban or didnt care for it enough to be opposed. Or had opinion cause of lack of knowledge aboht it. **** is turned into data projected as truth when it isnt. Within the current csm you will see the same.

The broken record starts to make noise noone likes too hear or cares about. I wish you again the best of lives and hope you can find something positive to focus energy too get satisfaction out of the gäme you play as a hobby and love to play, versus a lost war on words and bitterness tryign to make something happen noone cares, the world moved on and agreed they should.

I got decced and got 5 billion bounty on my csm toon cause of my opinion on the subject, which is a sign of bitterness in itself sadly. As much as you are entitled to an opinion and not get decced over it, i was hoping that would work both ways, but he, a big bounty is fun, please double it, i do get shot alot these days cause of it

Again, hopefully enjoy eve, fly safe, or not

You're absolutely right. Most people would shrug off losing a complete BS fleet in nullsec after going AFK on a planet instead of attempting to find a scapegoat for the situation. If "everyone" agrees on this subject, have CCP send us a poll and we'll see.


Few hundred? According to CCP's graphs there were a bit more than a few hundred. Again, send us a poll and we'll see who misses what. Two multibox bombers went on the record stating that defensive bubbles will prevent them from bombing, so I don't see the problem there.


Tell that to the 5boxer who was banned whilst not using broadcasting. According to CCP's own post, Round Robin and rollovers are completely fine, yet we're still getting banned for them.


If by "abuse" you mean the abuse you flung at me in the mails when I asked for nothing more than a quiet interview, sure. I was completely civil whilst you flung venom like it was going out of style in the mails, not to mention your atrocious grammar and spelling.


In a game where you can bounty someone for no actual reason, and wardec anything if your pockets are deep enough, do you really, honestly, think that the 5b bounty and wardec was anything more than a "lol let's do this today"? Are you that egotistical?

You want to know why I keep posting here and fighting for this? To paraphrase someone else, because it doesn't matter if everyone in the universe decides that something right is wrong. I was raised on a rather simple principle: the requirement that I stand up for what I believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When you or CCP or whoever else tells me to move, to give up, to go away, my job is to plant myself like a rock beside the truth, and tell everyone "No, you move."