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Do you think CCP should remove killboards? Remove combat api!

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2Sonas1Cup
#1 - 2015-04-05 08:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: 2Sonas1Cup
Considering that most if not in every fleet, people just try to horde as many kills as possible instead of actually do what the fc says and focus on targets called.

Most people don't even group their guns and shoot different targets with each one of them just to get more kills.


I trullly think CCP should remove the ability to have a killboard, or change it so only the top 5 players with the most damage done to the target show on the killboard.


Something must done, this is ridiculous.



EDIT: Now that I think about it, instead of having the top 5 with highest damage done to the target, CCP should workout an algorithm that counts the amount EHPs of the target, the quantity of players shooting at it and their individual damage, and set a threshold in percentage of damage done you need to be on the kill log.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-04-05 08:56:35 UTC
Yawn.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2015-04-05 08:57:46 UTC
Just because your fleets are full of bad pilots does not mean we should lose our ALODs.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-04-05 08:58:58 UTC
Become a better FC? Fly with the right people?

I'm my own NPC alt.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2015-04-05 09:22:34 UTC
There were killboard sites before there was API access.

I think CCP stated that zkillboard already had something like >90% (I think the figure was higher) of all killmails when the API was added.
Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#6 - 2015-04-05 09:29:39 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Considering that most if not in every fleet, people just try to horde as many kills as possible instead of actually do what the fc says and focus on targets called.

Most people don't even group their guns and shoot different targets with each one of them just to get more kills.

Don't fly with morons?

Thisn isn't a problem with killboards at all, it a problem with discipline. If there were no killboards, people would still whore kills until KMs were removed completely from the game.

The second problem is a leadership one. Analyze killboards for big fights carefully, you can easily see patterns which people just whore all the time and which ppl stay on target. You can then use that information in different ways - create incentive for adhereing to the called target.
Yes, its much work, but analyzing data is what leadership has to do.
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#7 - 2015-04-05 09:30:51 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
CCP should workout an algorithm that counts the amount EHPs of the target, the quantity of players shooting at it and their individual damage, and set a threshold in percentage of damage done you need to be on the kill log.



An algorithm... why?

You can see in the killmail how much damage was taken by the vicitim. You can see how much damage was dealt by each involved player.
In my killmails, players are sorted from highest to lowest damage downwards...
Aphsala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-04-05 09:41:18 UTC
I dont like KB an have no need of them, but why should i take away something alot of players like just because i dont? wouldnt you say thats a tad selfish of me?
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-04-05 09:52:54 UTC
I thought you quit. Make it so.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#10 - 2015-04-05 09:54:13 UTC
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#11 - 2015-04-05 10:32:08 UTC
There is a free choice to add your API or not, really can't find any wrong in the current system,
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#12 - 2015-04-05 10:39:05 UTC
I thought killboards were a thing in every MMO.
Eventually I realised ... oh ... they're not.

Well... that's crap.


Glad we have them. They make people kill others,
which is a good thing.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-04-05 10:40:26 UTC
No, but removal of this thread would be nice Twisted.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#14 - 2015-04-05 10:58:21 UTC
It's funny how it changed from "serious business lol" to "don't touch mah killboard!" years later, cultural victories left and right.

I don't care either way although from a personal pov I'd like them gone although not for reasons most would think.
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#15 - 2015-04-05 11:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ab'del Abu
A more elaborate system for killmails would be nice. I really like the rewatch feature of null-sec.com.

As for removing killmails: I think killboard stats are highly overrated. If anyone is giving you **** for yours, screw them.

2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Considering that most if not in every fleet, people just try to horde as many kills as possible instead of actually do what the fc says and focus on targets called.


Also this specifically is a null-sec issue only. Just don't fly with the blob if you're not interested in this kind of game play ...
2Sonas1Cup
#16 - 2015-04-05 11:12:29 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
It's funny how it changed from "serious business lol" to "don't touch mah killboard!" years later, cultural victories left and right.

I don't care either way although from a personal pov I'd like them gone although not for reasons most would think.


Yours and the post above are on point, and to answer yours, the mentality of eve players has changed, and so CCP must change certain things that are game breaking right now due to that mentality. The killboard is one of them, a better and more tailored killboard system is needed in order to NOT give any credit to people that contribute little to nothing in a fight.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-04-05 11:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
It's funny how it changed from "serious business lol" to "don't touch mah killboard!" years later, cultural victories left and right.

I don't care either way although from a personal pov I'd like them gone although not for reasons most would think.


Yours and the post above are on point, and to answer yours, the mentality of eve players has changed, and so CCP must change certain things that are game breaking right now due to that mentality. The killboard is one of them, a better and more tailored killboard system is needed in order to NOT give any credit to people that contribute little to nothing in a fight.


Kidding aside, I do agree with the 0% getting credit as a bit stupid but it isn't really a CCP issue because the 0% as far as CCP are concerned are just involved. They prioritize the final blow and the top damage. And it would be bad to ignore the 0% that is awarded for ewar.

I think it is an issue that could be better addressed by the kill boards themselves. CCP make the information available and it is the kill boards that use the information. And they do tend to use it badly. The overall stats get inflated because as far as the kill board is concerned all parties involved get credit for the kill. Where as it would be better if they were only credited for the % they actually inflicted. But they also need to account for ewar and give it it's own stat.

So as before a NO for removal but a yes for the kill boards to change the way credit is awarded, and that has nothing to do with CCP.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#18 - 2015-04-05 11:29:12 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Considering that most if not in every fleet, people just try to horde as many kills as possible instead of actually do what the fc says and focus on targets called.

u fkin wot m8
Jenshae Chiroptera
#19 - 2015-04-05 11:34:04 UTC
Killboards are free intel.

They also show you when your guys, who have spent years in the alliance, are still flying terribly fit ships and are clueless or obstinate.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#20 - 2015-04-05 11:42:06 UTC
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Considering that most if not in every fleet, people just try to horde as many kills as possible instead of actually do what the fc says and focus on targets called.

u fkin wot m8

Well, there is one thing we can agree on.

People who need a command repeated ...
... certainly aren't very sharp listeners.
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