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Capt Sephiroth
#1 - 2015-04-03 15:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Sephiroth
Is there a reason for Paladin and Golem to have 25 Mbit/sec while both T1 versions and other racial marauders have 50 Mbit/sec?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2015-04-03 15:54:12 UTC
Yes

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Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-04-03 16:00:18 UTC
Yes. Game balance.

Paladin and Golem both do absolutely crazy things with their weapons, CCP thought that Kronos and Vargur were sub-par in comparison, and gave them a slightly larger drone bay.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2015-04-03 16:06:32 UTC
Why oh why does the Moa only have 15mbit bandwidth while the Thorax has 50??

ESS NOUGHT FARE!!

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Mario Putzo
#5 - 2015-04-03 16:10:06 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Why oh why does the Moa only have 15mbit bandwidth while the Thorax has 50??

ESS NOUGHT FARE!!



Its kind of a good question...Wish my Moa could do 800DPS.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
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#6 - 2015-04-03 16:47:08 UTC
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
Is there a reason for Paladin and Golem to have 25 Mbit/sec while both T1 versions and other racial marauders have 50 Mbit/sec?

Yes, Caldari suck with drones. I think the Paladin was included so the Golem wouldn't feel singled out.

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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-04-04 09:47:52 UTC
It is pretty self explainatory actually... It is because the Paladin and Golem are already powerful enough, while the Kronos belongs to the drone faction, and Minmatar is a mix of all kinds of stupid ****.
Capt Sephiroth
#8 - 2015-04-04 10:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Sephiroth
Would giving them a 50 DB really make them overpowered? And Kronos having the same DB as a minnie is also ridiculous. The thing is they are battleship class ships (tech 2 even), there is not a single battleship class vessel besides these 2 that have 25 DB.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-04-04 10:38:39 UTC
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
Would giving them a 50 DB really make them overpowered?

OP? Probably not but is that a reason to make something arbitrarily better?

Suggestions like these are weird, as if somehow this difference wasn't considered during the rebalance.

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Capt Sephiroth
#10 - 2015-04-04 11:42:44 UTC
Well that's why I'm asking for the reason why did they reduce DB to both golem and paladin from 75 to 25, i could understand to 50 but to 25, that seems like an overkill so just wanted to see if someone knew a valid reason on why was that done, nothing more nothing less.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#11 - 2015-04-04 11:50:03 UTC
the same reason the kronos dropped drone bandwith from 125 to 100 or whatever it has... they wanted marauders to actaully fit gun modules and not be sentry platforms...
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#12 - 2015-04-04 14:15:11 UTC
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
Is there a reason for Paladin and Golem to have 25 Mbit/sec while both T1 versions and other racial marauders have 50 Mbit/sec?

Because CCP likes to do crazy and seemingly irrelevant stuff to our ships as a way to add variety to the game.
Another oft stated reason is to give each one a "unique" role within the game.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#13 - 2015-04-04 16:36:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
Would giving them a 50 DB really make them overpowered? And Kronos having the same DB as a minnie is also ridiculous. The thing is they are battleship class ships (tech 2 even), there is not a single battleship class vessel besides these 2 that have 25 DB.


The Kronos is based on the Megathron, which is not the Gallente drone boat. It is a gunboat with drone support.

Also, yes. It would make them overpowered to have their ridiculous tank, their good DPS and 50 bandwidth. Learn to use your guns properly.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#14 - 2015-04-04 20:24:53 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
and Minmatar is a mix of all kinds of stupid ****.

This is for certain.

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Valkin Mordirc
#15 - 2015-04-04 21:20:10 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Why oh why does the Moa only have 15mbit bandwidth while the Thorax has 50??

ESS NOUGHT FARE!!



Its kind of a good question...Wish my Moa could do 800DPS.



Moa doing 800DPS while getting the same FU Imma a Moa Tank, would be hilarious. I hope your joking. XD

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-04-04 22:30:22 UTC
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
Is there a reason for Paladin and Golem to have 25 Mbit/sec while both T1 versions and other racial marauders have 50 Mbit/sec?


Originaly these ships shouldn't have any dronebays and associated dronebandwith. So those couple of devs been working on source hulls of Apoc an Raven. By the time they came to the subject of this discussion it was almost a lunch time. You should know that feeling when you do rush yourself during this time when you try to complete something important. So basically they fix those stats but due to typo we have what we have. So they left for lunch, but they also left editing window open and due to autosave these numbers been left. So upon return they didn't pay attention to drone stats and just moved over the next stage.

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#17 - 2015-04-04 23:00:43 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
Is there a reason for Paladin and Golem to have 25 Mbit/sec while both T1 versions and other racial marauders have 50 Mbit/sec?


Originaly these ships shouldn't have any dronebays and associated dronebandwith. So those couple of devs been working on source hulls of Apoc an Raven. By the time they came to the subject of this discussion it was almost a lunch time. You should know that feeling when you do rush yourself during this time when you try to complete something important. So basically they fix those stats but due to typo we have what we have. So they left for lunch, but they also left editing window open and due to autosave these numbers been left. So upon return they didn't pay attention to drone stats and just moved over the next stage.


^ True story, bro!

CCP realised that the fact that Marauders could get away with monsterous tank, EWAR immunity, and excellent high-slot firepower, having what they had in terms of drone pre-Rubi drone bays would be a little two much. The Golem and Paladin don't need anything more than to support small drones for anti-frig/low-level DPS work, the Kronos is a Galente boat so it kind of makes sense to give it a little more, and the Vargur got the **** end of the stick during the rebalance anyways, so it could use a little help. You don't want to know what people could do with Marauders if they could field heavy/sentry drones en mass.

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Kazaheid Zaknafein
Zaknafein Tactical Reconnaissance
#18 - 2015-04-05 13:52:09 UTC
Paladin only needs drones to pop annoying frigates anyways, the main weapons are quad tachyons
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#19 - 2015-04-06 08:49:34 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
[*snip*
the Vargur got the **** end of the stick during the rebalance anyways, so it could use a little help. .


This is largely because the marauders showcase the best aspects of their designated weapon system. The kronos has rails which can track like midrange weapons, with high DPS and great application, or blasters that hit to kiting ranges. The Pally has pulse that hit to sniper ranges and overcome the tracking issues, while cap stable with a medium tank. The Golem has super paints, so it can almost ignore one whole side of the usual damage mitigation system for missiles. The vargur gets..... better arty and ACs, which are both underwhelming in the current meta for PVP, or which are hard to apply well to rats with due to tiny optimals for AC, and tracking on arty slower than many battleships can rotate the whole ship, and underwhelming DPS of both.

Now, if only they were cheap enough to make a fleet doctrine, they'd be great, like TFIs but better tracking, more tank and an insanely strong utility slot game.

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thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#20 - 2015-04-06 12:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: thatonepersone
I'm just glad they didn't need the bay any further.

*nerf