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EVE and the Red Queen's Race

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#21 - 2015-04-03 13:25:18 UTC
Ummmmm.......

Death to supers?

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#22 - 2015-04-03 14:03:06 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Now looks like nullsec will get their Sov by June so let's see how long until PvEr get something to bite on... preferably something up to EVE and not just more grind for ISK.

The Circadian Seekers, the Drifters and Burner missions don't tell you what's going on?

These represent a global storyline.
They're essentially PvE, but for everyone.

And they're just the beginning!


Burner missions were introduced so CCP can show off, test and evolve their AI.
Seekers and Drifters are direct descendents of that. CCP said that they are "learning",
which translates into them adapting the AI to player's reactions.

When we look at all the changes CCP has made in the last many months,
it's clear that they are "pedal to the metal" into finishing EVE "2.0".

You already see "more PvE", but you have to see it.
You have to see it in the now and what will come of it in the future.

I wouldn't worry about this. If I extrapolate what they do ...
... and hope they then go these ways, of course ...

... then you will see new missions against new enemies ...
... most hopefully the old missions revamped with a new AI, making them actually hard ...
... and thus an end to the ISK-grinding mentality.


The biggest enemy of a brighter PvE future are those who do not want it to be harder
or more engaging or not about ISK at all. Those who only PvE, easy-mode, because
it fills their wallets with fake money and their ego with fake pride.


I've said a few times what I want from PvE, as a form of PvP through other means. Not engaging into PvE should be a choice with potential consequences, much as not engaging into pew pew is a choice with potential consequences.

Thus, a new form of PvE should be driven by players and have an impact on players.

There are several ways to achieve that. Yet I'd be shocked if CCP figured, and let alone implemented, such a system.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-04-03 14:16:50 UTC
Change is GOOD.

Learn, adapt, embrace change.

or stagnate and die.

As the meerkats (or mice for any 'cheese' people out there) would say - "simple - squeak"
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#24 - 2015-04-03 14:27:06 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
(...)
I liked it better with the uniform. It was interestingly strict and formal,
unlike how "you" normally look like.
(...).


I'm still tinkering with the white skirt. Unfortunately we don't have white heels, but have red heels, yet then we don't have red jackets. So the only red-white-red scheme is using that tank top, with its weird green borders. I'm not a big fan of it.

By the way, Ish has worn uniforms in the past. See here, here and here.

Unfortunately, "militia" uniforms are OOC for her. She's never been a military, and probably the closest thing to a uniform she could wear accordingly to her biography, would be something like this...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#25 - 2015-04-03 15:07:03 UTC
I believe the current strategy is optimal for CCP's current push to, as Solecist said, push EVE kicking and screaming into the long-promised 2.0 iteration. It's a well-considered way to push out a complete overhaul of a mature game with a minimal chance of breaking it.

And I agree, the changes are coming uncomfortably quickly right now, but I'm sure from CCP's perspective they're not quite coming fast enough.

I imagine that once Seagull is satisfied that EVE is on its new course, the release schedule will switch again, probably to some variant of ship-it-when-its-ready.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#26 - 2015-04-03 15:38:52 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#27 - 2015-04-03 15:40:30 UTC
A few points, no i'm not going to quote, too lazy.


1) Actually, mist of the big stuff has been in line with the old release cycle. Phobe and the changes just before and after would of been a big 6 month patch. The next big set of changes won;t come till june, and before then it looks like we will get a bit of mini things changing. The goal post are not constantly shifting, because there is technically no goal post.

2) This new cycle is actually an improvement in how suff is brought to eve. In my 11 years here, the last year of releases, stuff feels more poished and complete, and not as half assed as it once was. We will see if the sov and structure changes hep to complete that picture or not.

3) Honestly, a dev leaving should not affect the entire scope of whats going on. Seagull seems to have the overal theme, goals and story line moving along, and placed int he hands of the devs the means to get there. Which is how things should be. Stuff should also be communicated and worked on by teams. So that if the head of your team leaves, but all team members know what there goals and objectives were, it would be a simple matter to continue the work started. CCP's issue in the past is not so much that a dev left and projects got left to roit, it was more of a "lets do this feature.. and then ignore it as me move on tot he next, because in our limited time we can;t waste resources fixing it' The new cycle has removed that "oh new shiney!" factor.


Honestly the new release cycle is producing some of the best stuff i have seen in my years here. I'm ready for more, so bring it.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-04-03 19:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
The Alice In Wonderland insert just doesn't apply to the stated subject of this OP. Already there's exaggeration in order to prime the pump for the appropriately agreeable responses. Suffice to say there's probably a few hundred people who took a narrow set of mechanics and decided to "specialize" in them. Maybe it was to "make ISK real fast!" Maybe it was just to pad their killboard (a perfectly self-defeating item, by the way - EVE killboard mentality).

All of them have stopped by and at length tried to present a polemic as though it is the earth-shaking gospel at last, and all must tremble before its truth. All must come to a grinding halt, and reverse must be found if it breaks off the shift stick. This of course feeds into an ego thing it seems more than a few hundred people here have, "What I think so supercedes the rest of humanity, all I have to do is mention a thought, and the workings of an entire corporation will bend to my will."

I guess the "too long/didn't read" factor looms large if you weren't among the first twenty or thirty posts of this nature, OP.
If I got this in my snail mail it wouldn't have made it into the house. After all, we've heard it all before.

Let us know when you think of something new.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#29 - 2015-04-03 19:31:09 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Ummmmm.......

Death to supers?


Er'ryday.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2015-04-03 20:16:25 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
tl:dr


Precisely.

The concluding paragraph was a bunch of questions, so I guess the OP had nothing useful to say, just a lot of questions.


Oh the OP came to his conclusions a long time ago, probably before quitting promising to never come back and claiming that Elite and Star Citizen would kill EVE, just to come back and pretend he wasn't going to come back lol.

In shocking news, perpetually unhappy people are perpetually unhappy.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#31 - 2015-04-04 01:00:58 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Thus, a new form of PvE should be driven by players and have an impact on players.

That's called PvP.

Because when one player does something ...
... and it affects another player even indirectly ...
... it's Player vs Player.


Maybe you want to rephrase what you want?



Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


I'm still tinkering with the white skirt. Unfortunately we don't have white heels, but have red heels, yet then we don't have red jackets. So the only red-white-red scheme is using that tank top, with its weird green borders. I'm not a big fan of it.

By the way, Ish has worn uniforms in the past. See here, here and here.

Unfortunately, "militia" uniforms are OOC for her. She's never been a military, and probably the closest thing to a uniform she could wear accordingly to her biography, would be something like this...


We have red blouses... or what it's called ?
https://gate.eveonline.com/profile/Christina%20Project

Also, white suits you better.
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#32 - 2015-04-04 02:45:09 UTC
I love the new release cycles. It gives CCP more opportunities for trolling. CPP trolling is what keeps me coming back to this game over and over again.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-04-04 02:48:58 UTC
Said before, will say again. I think EVE is in it's best incarnation right now.

Of course I am one who strongly benefits from trollololceptors rather than has to deal with it.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2015-04-04 03:31:37 UTC
N+ releases won't fix the current issue - old game trying to looks like a newly and fresh. Like an old milf after plastic surgery. No matter how often and fast you going to visit you Doctor. The issue will remain the same. Of course you are going to use a tons of make-up and brand dressing but it won't help. In terms of popularity the milf would attract some young lads to visit her and maybe some elder cowboys will still ride her. But. You know the answer.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2015-04-04 03:49:11 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
N+ releases won't fix the current issue - old game trying to looks like a newly and fresh. Like an old milf after plastic surgery. No matter how often and fast you going to visit you Doctor. The issue will remain the same. Of course you are going to use a tons of make-up and brand dressing but it won't help. In terms of popularity the milf would attract some young lads to visit her and maybe some elder cowboys will still ride her. But. You know the answer.

...

is this about world of warcraft?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-04-04 04:01:58 UTC
EVE not dying it's just turning into WoW.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Jenshae Chiroptera
#37 - 2015-04-04 04:20:27 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
TL;DR: EVE is changing fast.
When I worked with the Japanese at Nissan and I said the word, "change" their body language shut down and they weren't interested in what I had to say but I soon learned that if I put forward something to "improve" things then they were all ears.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#38 - 2015-04-04 04:21:42 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
TL;DR: EVE is changing fast.
When I worked with the Japanese at Nissan and I said the word, "change" their body language shut down and they weren't interested in what I had to say but I soon learned that if I put forward something to "improve" things then they were all ears.

I think you're just describing engineers in general.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-04-04 04:32:09 UTC
There is another majik word - Innovation.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Jenshae Chiroptera
#40 - 2015-04-04 04:44:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
TL;DR: EVE is changing fast.
When I worked with the Japanese at Nissan and I said the word, "change" their body language shut down and they weren't interested in what I had to say but I soon learned that if I put forward something to "improve" things then they were all ears.
I think you're just describing engineers in general.
This was management, I had to convince them then take it to the engineers and my team (PLCs).

(Do not worry. We only squished five people in six months and one doesn't count because it was a two for one thing.(Joking ... or am I?)) TwistedP

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.