Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well opinions are like assholes, and everyone has one.

The only thing that matters is numbers...fact is Cruiser hulls are far and away the most popular ships in the game right now, because of the bang you get for your buck. Period. Just as it was when BC's were the most popular ships in the game.
Unfortunately this impact is most heavily felt on the BS end of things because their natural prey BC's are heavily underused, for several reason, most importantly cost inefficiency.

As I said outside of a few niche scenarios BCs just do not stack up against the price point of cruisers in ACTUAL usage. For someone who claims to not be "blinded" by EFT, your opinion is based outside of actual reality of usage, looking to paper instead of the mechanical interactions with the ships. (Case in point your 800 Paper DPS Cane whose real DPS against the 200DPS Caracal is going to be under 100DPS without Drones, and barely enough to bleed through the passive shield tank of the Caracal)

At the end of the day, there is almost no reason whatsoever to undock in a BC, because there are Cruisers that can accomplish the same functional goal, for a fraction of the price, and the only reason you would fly one is because you WANT to. This is a top down game, you should know this, and because of the nature of that BC's go unused because they simply are not effective at their price point by comparison.

3-4 years ago we had a nice game of rock>paper>scissors. With Cruisers>BCs>BS. For the past couple years one of those links has steadily been in decline, resulting in such great situations as Ishtars Online to which the communities response was "Please nerf CCP", instead of, let me get in the ship that is supposedly designed in being anti-cruiser hell some folks skipped BC's entirely and jumped to BS to deal with Cruisers.... Obviously CCP sees there is an issue with BC's or they wouldn't have made a tweak on them, if everything is fine and dandy as you say, then the guys with all the hard numbers wouldn't be tweaking them no?

Now whether this change actually impacts usage is another thing, I don't think it will but hey...i also have an *******.

(unrelated, I agree the Golem is bad ass, but you don't see them in numbers A) Its skill intensive, B) Its expensive for most folks, not everyone has mounds of passive moongoo backing them, or buys PLEX to whenever they want more ISK. That is the reality of the game)

But it is. Unless one enjoys a game where the same 7500 people shuffle around with no new blood coming in. vOv

I might finally be able to make my talos keep up with the t3 fleet.

Slepnir, Yaaaaaay.

This helps address one of the battle cruisers biggest issues, keeping up with cruisers.

Battleships I get, but the bc really got smacked with the warp speed changes.

Can bring Em back for some more wormhole work

Have you never interacted with Baltec before? He dismisses every argument in this fashion. Hes a nullsec scrublord who claims lots of things, but very rarely actually flies what he posts. He seems to think unbonused acs project out to 30km and apply perfectly to anything. Just be prepared for a comeback of how he made the baltec mega and forced thousands of f1 warriors to use it.

However, one thing to point out is that BCs are on par (cost wise) with most t1 cruiser fits if you factor in insurance. My drake fits are about 30m after insurance. Most t1 cruisers fit up around 20-30m.

Ive been flying bcs a lot lately. The biggest reason is MMJD. That module alone, is the only thing keeping bcs viable in a solo/small gang role. It is the holy grail in countering the kite meta and offsetting bcs slow speed.

Id like to see CCP expand on the MMJD on bcs alil more. Cooldown reduction maybe. It would also be nice to see a minor HP buff across the board, but thats wishful thinking. Regardless, ill still fly bcs and get easy fights with cheap fits.

So most eve players are less than a year old?

As for the isk, you can make 80mil/hr on level 3 missions in highsec at just 4 months old.

Goooooooo Hyperbole!

I made almost 8B yesterday and I didn't even have to log in. #winning.

I don't see the warp speed changes to BC's increasing their use all that much if at all, but it will ease some of the discomfort of using them in the niches that they fill now for those that do use them.

If CCP intends to increase the use of BC and or BB's to a more common level then they are going to have to do more than these changes. But if they are happy with Cruisers online then they are on the right track I suppose.*shrugs*

all bc's do need a sig reduction, if they want the frig- dessie cruiser-bc relationship than a closer sig too cruisers is mandatory.

I think we need at least double price tag for all t1 cruisers.

Price-fixing is not the most optimal solution, and there's a danger of breaking the market/people not doing PVP at all, or scaling down to frigs.

Ship use by (arch)type: http://i.imgur.com/z4ynWV9.png