Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I hear "risk vs reward" constantly referred to. You have to also factor "time vs reward" into any proper argument.
Bonuses quite commonly decrease time. Disrupting your opponents can increase their time. Investing your time can bring greater rewards (by researching blueprints for example). Devoting time to your skills is obvious. You can spend time to either increase your rewards, or to reduce you risks.

Time is inherently valuable, yet never seems to make it into the debate...

So you have to use an alt to scan because your brave pirate has to be safely docked for minimal exposure. Yet nothing in the game 'forces'gankers to have those alts in NPC corps yet they use this 'cake' and then pas it to their pirate alt (safely docked in an NPC station of course) to eat it too.

If the changes you propose came into effect I would also suggest that pilots with lower than -4.9 should only be able to dock in player built and owned stations (thus wardeccable). Similarly a pilot should only be able to use a ship scanning module if they are in a player corp (thus wardeccable) and should be made suspect by scanning a ship (because they shouldn't be able to gather intel without risk right?).

If you want every indy player to be wardeccable if they want ti make real money then the exact same argument should apply to gankers too. I exclude wardec corps intentionally there as they are specifically putting themselves up for fight.

That's putting it mildly.




And it's two different characters with different situations, not one with both. Your refusal to recognize the difference just shows that you know you're wrong on this one, you just don't want to admit it.

If had done this with two different people, you'd have nothing to say.




This is the part where you get laughed at for suggesting absurdities that would harm non gankers more than gankers.

Furthermore, you're still utterly failing at understanding the distinction between an income generating activity and one that is inherently neutral.

If you want to make use probes of any kind a suspect act, be my guest, I'll harvest people doing the exploration sites all day long for free kills.



The exact same argument does apply to gankers already, they are free targets even without a war. Are you just rambling at this point, desperately searching for something resembling an argument?

If you want to make bumping into another player a suspect act, by all means, do so.

It would be hilarious.




Not if you want to pick someone off in a mission pocket or a deadspace site, obviously. That's what we were talking about in the first place,.




Solstice Project used off grid boosts and neutral scouts.

If you carebears really want to go on a "alts shouldn't exist" crusade, take it somewhere else, this thread is about wardecs.

*shrugs*

If the boot fits. You're taking their side on the issue, which is also flagrantly off topic.

The point still stands, if you want to go on a crusade to get rid of alts, go do it elsewhere.

What is wrong with playing the game as a cowardly pirate who runs from the first sign of opposition and uses the protection of the NPC corp to increase his safety? Such a villain adds depth to the game and give "good" players something to fight against (AKA content). Besides, you don't seem to be calling the carebears who do the exact same thing (neutral haulers, scouts, etc.) as "not brave" or are calling them out for having it both ways.

While the scanning thing is inane - there are plenty of uses for scanners outside of ganking and it is no where close to a hostile act - I am not totally adverse to the first suggestion. It might generate more content, but the problem is that it will negatively impact on a large swath of players who participate in more "traditional" piracy in lowsec. Perhaps these "pirate POSes" could give a bonus to the gankers (shorter Criminal timer?) so that they would voluntarily use them and expose themselves to "white knights" seeking retribution. But ultimately, the -10 restrictions are currently so harsh that no outlaw can give a "gudfight" to a white knight even if they wanted to as the faction police will get involved. It's probably best to leave gankers as rats that scurry out from the darkness and strike the odd unsuspecting target than to elevate them to "supervillain" status with bases and the ability to defend themselves.

As was said, wardecs are irrelevant to gankers as they are already freely shootable to all. They operate under war conditions all the time, and I might add, lose ships to white knights regularly. What more do you want other than preventing them from operating at all in the first place?

It's an example of why everything they claim to want, they should not get.

Much like the "no one with negative sec status should be able to dock" idiocy. Congratulations, you just killed lowsec deader than it already was. (and you basically deleted every entity in NPC nullsec, what's more)

They're not here to do anything but ruin the game for anyone who actually plays it, in favor of turning this once wonderful MMO into a glorified Facebook game.

And Apartheid up there is front and center about trying to ruin the game.

You say, while defending dec dodging.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.



It doesn't surprise me that you're ignoring the obvious differences there, or the order of magnitude in difference between the mechanical consequences of the two actions.

But hey, no need to have an internally consistent viewpoint! Gotta advance that narrative, facts be damned.

Doesnt work, means pilots joining RvB is a one way ticket to never leaving.

The second point will have the consequence of pushing wardecs from larger, established corporations that can afford the counter-bribe onto poorer, new corporations that cannot. That is the opposite of what the system should encourage.

Further, wars should not be able to be ended by the defending corporation without the consent of the attacker, or you no longer have a non-consensual PvP mechanism you can use to disrupt your competitors.

The scaling idea is good though. There should be a fee incentive to discourage larger corps from going after smaller corps, and for professional wardeccers to go after larger entities that can defend themselves. Right now the big corps most able to defend themselves are the most expensive to wardec. Still, it can't be too expensive so that even one-man corps can be wardecced if they annoy someone enough.