Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Given how effective cap chaining is to various activities, perhaps repair modules and ships should be re-balanced around not needing them and finally closing the physics-defying loophole that is free energy?

The fundamental problem is how two reppers with cap chaining are so much more effective than one. More than double I would say. So let's change it so that small roams won't need to dedicate more than a single slot to logi to get the same relative effectiveness.

I'm suggesting making is that you can get the same effectiveness, but without the cap chaining. The problem is that cap chaining requires multiple logi. There's not a lot of other ships classes that get that much more effective with simply adding a second ship.

All you have to do is up the cap use on the energy transfers. I'd have to crunch the numbers, but there's a break even point at which it stops being economical for the benefit.

If you raised them by about 20%, it would make them a lot easier to neut out, and it would give you a reasonable counter to the free energy.



The assumption that they should be that effective may be flawed.

Bring ECM/Damps

Im not sure why people think nuets are the counter to cap chaining. If you are having problems with enemy logi, try bringing ewar. Pretty much anything except nuets and tracking disrupters would work.

The issue isn't cap chaining. The issue is that logi are balanced around cap chaining so much so that bringing a single logi is so much less effective than bringing two -- less than half as effective.

that will always be the case remote tanks are much better than local tanks and that is for a reason.

even if you remove cap transfer bonuses, dual logi will always be several times better than a locally tank logistics ship.

If there's a problem, it's probably with the unlimited nature of things. If capacitor transmitters used cap charges to operate, it wouldn't be as much of a big deal. At least then you know that they will eventually buckle under continuous pressure, and that judicious management of scarce resources might really start to matter in a knockdown dragout cage match.

In general, as you go heavier into hull masses, you see longer recharge times, but larger buffer reservoirs. With charges, your cargohold becomes an extension of that reservoir. One thing that can limit recharge recovery could be stacking penalties on capacitor recharge modules. Some have serious drawbacks, like flux coils, but it would seem reasonable to me that all of them should have drawbacks. CPRs and CRs should have some kind of logical penalty beyond their opportunity cost. Logistics ships shouldn't be fitting only CCC rigs, but should be mixing them with remote repair augmentor rigs, or perhaps safeguard rigs if CCP would make "shield operation" a pre-req for remote shield transporters.

Those kinds of rigs increase sig or decrease speed, increasing damage application against chain logi.

Why do you have a single logi (who won't be able to rep himself if he ever get called primary) and also somehow though it would be a neat idea to not at least use the type that can rep without a cap feed?

That's a very good point, though that brings up another question. It always seemed weird to me that remote reps could never be turned on the logi itself meaning you, again, needed two or more of them to work. I really would like to see a single logi be viable in a greater array of situations.