EVE General Discussion

So over 1.2 million dollars a year worth of accounts want WiS.

Interesting.

So I played Earth and Beyond from launch till lights out. I played Eve briefly when it first came out (mostly for my job at the time which is another story) and quickly abandoned it to focus on E&B. When E&B lights out was announced I got back into Eve.

Here is what I found more compelling about E&B:

- Walking in stations and dealing with vendors "face to face" and meeing with my guild mates "face to face". There was even a disco.
- The variation throughout space. Every system was unique! Colorful and often pretty.
- Exploration was required to learn to get around.
- The music and sound, in particular how the music was unique to your race and changed dynamically based on your activities and location. I still play the music sometimes as background music.
- Humor - you had a good time in E&B.
- Landing on and flying in planet atmospheres
- Non human space MOBs
- Ship personalization
- Storyline was directly integrated into the game experience and was updated almost every month.
- Immersion in stations, constant videos and ads were fun, even holiday music during the holiday season in stations
- Mining was better
- Random cool ship wrecks to salvage

What I liked about Eve better:

- Player dirven markets and Economy
- Variation of ships and races/skills/carreer paths
- Huge numbers of ships
- Space was HUGE (but sadly looked the same everywhere)
- Larger number of players on at any time
- I could still play it and I had learned I was more interested in a SciFi space game with real space flight than wood elf bards.

So WiS for me was the first step to seeing Eve add back what I missed so much about Earth and Beyond. I would note that Earth and Beyond even when they plug was pulled had more subscriptions than Eve at the time. Earth and Beyond died because EA took the resources away to put on yet another elf and orc game not because there wasn't interest.

When E&B died I tried to get all my friends to move to Eve but most never got over the "I'm a ship, not a person" in Eve thing. I know without a doubt that if CCP does get us past the door, even it if is just to do basic interaction, the new subscription rate will increase and the new folks will be much more likely to stay.

So I am sure there are other folks that could tell you why the starwars game had higher subscriptions that Eve until the dreaded NPE reboot as it also showed what an avatar experience with flying in space can deliver in terms of fun.

So when the FiS zealots shout "go to WoW pathetic care bear" all I can say is they aren't taking a moment to realize that WoW isn't a SciFi game and I am here for a SciFi game. Right now there are very few choices if you prefer space to caves and forests. I'd say for the most part Eve has FiS pretty close to nailed. They have the markets and the ecconomy pretty close to nailed, they could do a little better with some aspects of mining and industry. But what they don't have is the immersion that comes from leaving your ship and remembering you are playing a humanoid in the distant future in a huge future civilization, not just some human autopilot in a ship. Once they add that next part Eve has the potential to become a mainstream game. And that means a lot more money in the pockets of CCP to deliver even better FiS.

So just FiS = Eve the size it is now mostly forever. FiS + WiS = Eve approaching WoW in player base. You FiS only guys need to realize that.

(Oh, and if CCP really wants to make Eve better, fix the sound and the music! Study after study have shown how much more emotional connection occurs when you get those right! Most folks I know in Eve don't even listen to the sounds and music in Eve which shows what a failure CCP has been with that aspect of Eve.)

Issler

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=5
can some one count how many barbie lovers?

Actually, there is a handful of them but that thread is a good read for all you WiS advocates - it shows what players really cares about in EVE.

You know, these goons are probably right. If CCP wanted WiS they would have said something by now. I think they just wanted to have a platform to sell NeX items. The goons probably have inside info anyway, considering all of the CCP employees who say they are goons.. they are even given special trips to Iceland to tell CCP how to design the game. CCP clearly favors them outside of the game and in the game they're allowed to bot with impunity.

Oh well, it was naive to think CCP from 5 years ago is the same today. Soundwave and Hilmar ...

We don't have any exact numbers of how many players really want WiS. If we have a look at the forums or eg at this thread, we can only get a general idea. It appears we have a lot of supporters who want something meaningful and who are not against the general idea of WiS but we also have a lot of opposition who don't want to see anything WiS related ever.
That's really everything we can say about "numbers" so it's a bit mute to talk about those numbers.

However it seems that there is indeed a significant number of players who support it. And because of the argument that WiS could be made optional it is absolutely legit to talk and discuss about the future and the possibilities of WiS content.
Of course EVE Online is a game about spaceships. But reading the chronicles it is apparent that the life on board of a station or a planet has also a lot of impact to the universe. Be it impact on a more personal level or even a broader one. No one wants to get rid of the spaceships and I think not many people want a WiS that is completely unrelated to flying spaceships.

So long, have some nice holidays and don't hate too much. That applies for both sides of the fence .
After all, we are all players of a great game and nobody wants to destroy it, bear that in mind.

Based on what? This thread has two or three space barbie fetishists and their alt characters so I hope you're not using it as your evidence.

Anyone who insists that WIS be made a priority again, and thinks that CCP is ignoring them should just unsub now, i.e vote with your wallet.

A significant loss of revenue is what it took to get CCP back on track with FIS, and when their financials are released next year it will be very enlightening to see how many players "voted" in 2011 for a return to sanity.

After 4+ years of Dev time where 2 of those years FIS was abandoned almost entirely, we got the Captain's Closet, and some overpriced fashion accessories available via a cash-shop. Be very careful what you demand CCP expend its resources on, their definition of "excellence" is not quite the same as the one in the dictionary. CCP's history and perception by its peers of "over-promise then under-deliver" is going to take a lot of time to turn around, and I very much doubt WIS is going to be how they accomplish that.

can we just keep the discussions civil and do without all the

Actually, there is a handful of them but that thread is a good read for all you WiS advocates - it shows what players really cares about in EVE.