Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Could always take those skills, the missile support skills, and the already re-classified weapon skills and plop them in a category of their own. No idea what the name would be.

I don't like it though, I already have to scroll all over the place to find the right category, making the list longer would be a pain.

Another category standalone category for those support skills could work.

From a personal standpoint I've actually really appreciated the new organization (it fits my analytic brain I guess). Having Armor tanking skills in their own Armor category instead of lumped in with "Mechanic" (which never really made sense to me).

I see no reason to have separate categories that would each just include the small, medium, large, capital, and then S/M/L specs.

And you would need other one just for the support skills, because you couldn't mix them in the other categories without making it very confusing.

And you couldn't mirror the skills across (so that if you had gunnery to IV in one it would show in all) without messing up the SP display per category.

we don't need any more folders there is already a filter there to use

If the OP is having "issues" with the gunnery skill folder, wait until he reaches 100 million SP and has all ships trained.

Dat Spaceship Command folder is a mess!!

At this point, clearly I'm outnumbered in my proposal, but for argument sake, its a matter of how OCD you want to get about organization.

Some people (several that have replied to this thread already) prefer the lumped category method: minimal top level categories so they can have a shorter list, but then have to sift through a veritable library of skills that all start to blurr together after a while.

Then there are those like myself that prefer the approach where you drill down into sub-folder level organization.

Honestly, if you wanted dead simple lumped category organization, you could have as little as:

1. Engineering (armor, shields, power grid and CPU skills, Electronics Upgrades)
2. Weapon Systems (turrets, missiles, smart bombs, Electronic Warfare)
3. Spaceship Command (as-is)
4. Science & Industry (ALL production, research, invention skills, Planetary Interaction, Exploration)
5. Social (Leadership, corp management, trade)

So while your character sheet and market window will have very few categories you have to "Scroll through" you will spend endless amount of time trying to find that 1 skill you want. From a new player perspective, having a massive wall of skills in very few top level folders, that's a great way to overwhelm a new player (I've seen it happen on more than 1 occasion).

There are extremes at either end.

Now, I will grant you this, the top level category list is getting long as it is, there could be a compromise in here of introducing nested folder organization (though I suspect many of you will protest that as well).

For instance, you could pick a reasonable list of Top Level Folder categories, take for instance the weapon systems category that started this thread. In a nested Folder scheme you could have the following:

Top Level:
Weapon Systems (this is descriptive and tells any player "If I want to train a weapon, start looking here")
Nested Levels:
--> Energy Weapons (Lasers)
--> Hybrid Weapons
--> Missile Weapons
--> Projectile Weapons
--> Weapon Support (This is also descriptive and tells the user "If I want to enhance my weapons effectiveness, look here")

This is but one example, you could easily do similar things for Spaceship Command:

Top Level:
Spaceship Command
Nested Levels:
--> Amarr
--> Caldari
--> Gallente
--> Minmatar
--> ORE

These are all descriptive, the user first states "I want to learn to fly xyz spaceship" (goto spaceship command). Next the statement "The ship is Amarr, so I should look under Amarr ships."

I do data organization and analysis for a living (Mechanical Engineer for what its worth), so I've spent a reasonable amount of time contemplating this. I posted this idea here to get constructive comments and viewpoints.

I have almost 100 mill SP in Spaceship command, it is one hell of a list.

As far as the OP is concerned, I have to ask why? I'm rather OCD and see no benefit in your request. Quite the opposite in fact.

This part of your OP clearly outlines why Gunnery skill category is fine as is.

I see no reason for this change, at all. Like... of all the things to bug you enough to suggest a feature or idea change, this? I don't know why that bugs me so much, but really, this is a completely un-needed change. Like so trivial and useless that it bothers me you even took the time to post it. That's just me though...

I don't see how this would benefit the game in any way whatsoever... Seems to me as wasting dev time.