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Im declaring war on Null ...whos in!?

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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#101 - 2015-04-01 02:29:50 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Vector Symian wrote:
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
All I see is spreadsheets every time I undock. I suppose I could declare war on their spreadsheets with my spreadsheets and we could even hire an accountant to boost our chances of success. Or perhaps a mathematician? Hell what not both! We could wage all out numbers wars on each other, and the ships and space would be nothing but window dressing for this overly complicated academic endeavor. We would have to keep the accountant though as they would be needed to manage the monthly maintenance fees, costs of lost ships, Renter management, and paying spies.


or

you could grab a ship and burn down null sov systems while dodging their war fleets in a terrifying cat an mouse game Smile


The winner getz all the spreadsheets...ALL of them


Do you have any idea how complicated that would be? Not to mention I think that even if we did get their TCU's into reinforced we'd have to wait days I think until we could rightfully claim the space? Not to mention that by that time, depending on who you were fighting, the owners would have ample time and people to roflstomp you all the way back to Hisec with your tail between your legs. Granted good pvp players might have a shot and explode some ships, but these alliances have a near endless supply. These people have built castles in Nullsec and the only way each system changes hands is through some kind of agreement.

If we ever formed some kind of modern Goonswarm of our own with all these people it would be pretty awesome though. But if I were you I would expect this kind of a battle to take months, and perhaps even a year or longer.

As the old saying goes, "One does not simply walk into Mordor."


If he doesn't focus on taking sov then it is possible. The goal should be to burn them out by restricting their choices. Planting cloaky campers that every once in a while drops some combat ships on them and causes them to lose a ship or two.

The problem he will have is with willingness of the other secs and the difficultly in herding people whom have never been in bigger fights and aren't used to following orders.

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2015-04-01 02:50:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Chewytowel Haklar
Burl en Daire wrote:
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Vector Symian wrote:
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
All I see is spreadsheets every time I undock. I suppose I could declare war on their spreadsheets with my spreadsheets and we could even hire an accountant to boost our chances of success. Or perhaps a mathematician? Hell what not both! We could wage all out numbers wars on each other, and the ships and space would be nothing but window dressing for this overly complicated academic endeavor. We would have to keep the accountant though as they would be needed to manage the monthly maintenance fees, costs of lost ships, Renter management, and paying spies.


or

you could grab a ship and burn down null sov systems while dodging their war fleets in a terrifying cat an mouse game Smile


The winner getz all the spreadsheets...ALL of them


Do you have any idea how complicated that would be? Not to mention I think that even if we did get their TCU's into reinforced we'd have to wait days I think until we could rightfully claim the space? Not to mention that by that time, depending on who you were fighting, the owners would have ample time and people to roflstomp you all the way back to Hisec with your tail between your legs. Granted good pvp players might have a shot and explode some ships, but these alliances have a near endless supply. These people have built castles in Nullsec and the only way each system changes hands is through some kind of agreement.

If we ever formed some kind of modern Goonswarm of our own with all these people it would be pretty awesome though. But if I were you I would expect this kind of a battle to take months, and perhaps even a year or longer.

As the old saying goes, "One does not simply walk into Mordor."


If he doesn't focus on taking sov then it is possible. The goal should be to burn them out by restricting their choices. Planting cloaky campers that every once in a while drops some combat ships on them and causes them to lose a ship or two.

The problem he will have is with willingness of the other secs and the difficultly in herding people whom have never been in bigger fights and aren't used to following orders.


You know this is why I joined the game, to see big fights. Faction warfare is most often just solo or small gang warfare and frankly I found that very very difficult to do as a newer player (I've really only been actively at this game for a few months). But I think mostly it is because I don't care about FW systems at all, I mean what is the point? I see big battles as far more interesting. I see the potential for laughs, making the news, and inspiring people for change to be a fun way to play a game. Mostly this game is an economic game at its hearts and those who pvp are just its cattle feed. But the idea of impacting entire regions by boldly striking at them with massive fleets for the laughs without any care as to how many ships are lost intrigues me.

Regardless, I hate the idea that people seem to have nullsec tamed and controlled. I thought EVE wasn't supposed to feel safe, and all those idiots clamoring about how awesome they are in pvp and how much they hate miners or other's carebearing it up don't seem to see the impact that null has on the game. Nullsec is the biggest group of carebears in the entire game, I think even high sec has more balls then they do. The blue donut must burn, it has to burn. If those in CODE and groups like them saw this and actually redirected their attention to nullsec I think that would be awesome. Sadly it comes down to people like the OP to make threats and hopefully plan for some kind of strike. Sure this is also content and people seemed starved for it, but it is about much more then that.

EDIT: I'd love to see a massive anti null sec alliance form out of corporations that hate what nullsec is and want to burn it down. Why this kind of massive alliance isn't happening seems to tell me they are permissive for some reason.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#103 - 2015-04-01 03:36:01 UTC
I volunteer for the CCPMintchip fleet if we can tame Null with hugs.
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2015-04-01 12:35:10 UTC
Vector Symian wrote:
TwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwisted

It time gentle peeps to prepare for war!

the topic for general conversation is the burning of Null sec and what your plans are once the new sov changes come into effect

my plan? Highsec/Lowsec/Whs/Npc Null VS Null powers

free ports for every one!!

Update - I have Closed the Npc Community Scope Project to focus all effort to the elimination of the existing power bloc. This is a serious commitment and i hope that all who were involved in the community every success. you guys are awesome but its time for this little pilot to get serious.they know where to find me Blink

-As for Marmites and Code i am after the one that pull the string behind them as we know from the mittani and others the meta game is so real and is so very on atm

Null will burn and i will happily assist the thousands who would like to see this happen

o7



You're fit.

Just sayin'.

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#105 - 2015-04-01 17:06:13 UTC
Ocih wrote:
I volunteer for the CCPMintchip fleet if we can tame Null with hugs.



A classic example of how stagnant the game is.
Robur Maximus
Sonnenlegion
Shadow Cartel
#106 - 2015-04-01 18:50:58 UTC
Actually I think most of high-sec has very high skill point in all kinds of things. And they do have a lot of money lying around as well. IF someone would unite high/low to attack some null block,using guerrilla tactics, it would get wrecked pretty fast. Low has some great FC´s, and in larger fleets the required skill of each individual player is lower.
However I don´t think its going to happen since most of low hates each other and high is largely not into PVP.

It would be really fun to see though :).
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#107 - 2015-04-01 18:57:29 UTC
Declaring war on *Null* is the most idiotic idea I've come by today. Congratulations.

Alternatively, you could also declare war on all Achura characters, everyone who's name starts with an A or each person that believes in another religion than you do. You live there, I live here is a barbaric reason to wage war and you should feel terrible.

Or, someone farms L5 in low, has an industry c1 for himself BUT also got a BRAVE alt. Do you shoot all his toons?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#108 - 2015-04-01 19:05:28 UTC
Robur Maximus wrote:
Actually I think most of high-sec has very high skill point in all kinds of things. And they do have a lot of money lying around as well. IF someone would unite high/low to attack some null block,using guerrilla tactics, it would get wrecked pretty fast. Low has some great FC´s, and in larger fleets the required skill of each individual player is lower.
However I don´t think its going to happen since most of low hates each other and high is largely not into PVP.

It would be really fun to see though :).
The best part is that if it worked there would be too many targets for revenge. So, they can swarm out like locusts killing and reinforcing everything they get close to then settle back into High Sec of awhile before swarming out again.

Eventually, High Sec would lose interest or Null would collapse without the mechanics shielding them and lose their illusions of being at the top of the food chain.

I don't have cat herding skills injected but one day, someone with cat herding V will come along and with Silly SOV that will be an easy possibility. Blink

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#109 - 2015-04-02 00:15:37 UTC
This is beginning to look like the Assault on the Falklands, where it took six months for the fleet to get there.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2015-04-02 01:10:47 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Declaring war on *Null* is the most idiotic idea I've come by today. Congratulations.

Alternatively, you could also declare war on all Achura characters, everyone who's name starts with an A or each person that believes in another religion than you do. You live there, I live here is a barbaric reason to wage war and you should feel terrible.

Or, someone farms L5 in low, has an industry c1 for himself BUT also got a BRAVE alt. Do you shoot all his toons?



Umm yes? I haven't seen much mercy in pvp in this game are you asking me to be nice? Roll
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#111 - 2015-04-02 01:51:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vector Symian wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
threads like this make me laugh, do you think your going to win nullsec with a fleet of interceptors? so you have a null power helping you? well thats not really waging war on null its just waging war on 1 part of null which will probably in turn benefit the other party. lets face it if you aint got 100+ supers you are not going to take any key systems from any nullblocs.

so whats your plan, fly down in interceptors, ri a few systems then run back to highsec?

"- the nullies have spent considerable time seeding fear and powerlessness into the highsec community esp when it comes to claiming null many of their signature stratagems like the PL hotdrop are a deliberate shock and awe tactic designed to scare people into not challenging them"

see many nullsec alliances losing freighters and expensive ships in highsec, thats hardly a sign of fear, people in highsec prefer the safety, nothing to do with the big bad scary nullblocs forcing them to stay in highsec

good luck hopefully you succeed a little bit better than the other threads where someone declares war over someone else


Thankyou

- the plan has to multi-spectrum as their defense will be varied but finding ways to make non trade pvpers effective in an unconventional way is a priority we can not afford to exclusively target high sec pvp for this

- truth is i accept that my knowledge of this game has holes in it so the best way i find is to break it down to many tiny groups that will hit in a variety of ways at the same time even if all they can do lock something big down and broadcast it

let the leaders do what they do best sand organize locally nearer to the date

- primary stratagems will be classified till closer date


Ways to create a successful Invasion Fleet, 2015 edition:

Step one: Go to the forum and announce your intentions to everyone including the intended targets. Be sure to include the fact that you have in reserve some not yet disclosed "stratagems" for added pants-crapping effect on the enemy.

Step two: Create a foolproof strategy, so fool proof that even High Sec dwellers can do it.

Step tree (fity): Actually invade, pay no attention to the fact that the enemy is vastly superior and actually knows what they are doing unlike the 6 other people you get to invade with you. Also pay no attention that the most likely outcome of your "invasion" will be a month long "burn high sec" campaign in which hundreds of innocent high sec players will suffer increasingly frequent suicide ganks in "lol retribution" for your daring "Invasion".

Step Four (VICTORY!)): continue on to glory, right up to the Steps of the Space Emperor's palace (in this case, Mittani's Condo) and slay him, but not before explaining your victory carefully and with flow charts.


He's doing it for the good fights obv.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#112 - 2015-04-02 02:05:45 UTC
0.125 / 10

It was marginally entertaining to shoot the posts.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#113 - 2015-04-02 03:23:44 UTC
Didn't bother to read above. Sorry for the disrespect to those with real messages.

But: War on nullsec is a highly honorable cause. Good for carebears who might be afeared of null, good for lazy nullbears who could use some weigh tloss exercise.

For you less lazy people-- Never forget that doing something in null is wondrously worth many times more than doing basically the same thing in high or low. Same thing, but the stakes are multiplied. Invest 10mil in a ship, get 20mil from it and lose it. Invest 500mil in a ship, get 1bil from it and lose it. Same effort, stakes higher, which loads your wallet more in the end?
Sykaotic
Doomheim
#114 - 2015-04-02 09:33:02 UTC
Seaport
Jenshae Chiroptera
#115 - 2015-04-03 00:53:45 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Didn't bother to read above. Sorry for the disrespect to those with real messages.
But: War on nullsec is a highly honorable cause. Good for carebears who might be afeared of null, good for lazy nullbears who could use some weigh tloss exercise.
For you less lazy people-- Never forget that doing something in null is wondrously worth many times more than doing basically the same thing in high or low. Same thing, but the stakes are multiplied. Invest 10mil in a ship, get 20mil from it and lose it. Invest 500mil in a ship, get 1bil from it and lose it. Same effort, stakes higher, which loads your wallet more in the end?
I know that if High Sec sent a fresh fleet of 100 (that is average competence) every hour then it would grind Provi down.

<.< o.o >.>

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2015-04-03 01:16:19 UTC
I'm beginning to think the Sov changes won't change anything. Everyone is happy with how things are in Null and it will remain that way indefinitely. This cause is hopeless, and any game mechanic changes will just be adjusted to by alliances. In fact, it actually works in their favor since their window can now be set to their time zone.

There is no hope. There was never any hope.
Vector Symian
0 Fear
#117 - 2015-04-03 02:15:35 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Vector Symian wrote:
-they can be reinforced if defenders are in the system however with many small groups hitting and taking the systems their forces will have to spread out making them vulnerable to the pvp fleets.

-as i understand undefended it can be taken in under 15 mins if you have the right setup however my intell may be outdated


If your "war" is relying on the proposed changes of SOV warfare, wouldn't it be wise to wait for those changes to actually be implemented?



the task is massive and we need to get strike points and stockpiles prepared as I understand these sov changes will be trickled out over time so we will work with what's there

but atm we can go learn fleet tactics, get to know the major highsec powers involved and prepare our own personal plan of action Smile
Vector Symian
0 Fear
#118 - 2015-04-03 02:21:13 UTC
Higgs Foton wrote:
I fully support Vector Symian and his fine plan.

The amount of killmails and tears we from the mighty fist of the CFC can wade through will be EPIC. I am pretty sure our most esteemed arch enemies in PL/N3 will see it as we do, and join in the fun. More skulls for the skullthrone!

Last time a huge fleet from highsec jumped into nullsec this happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-L0PZGN3XI

Lets all hear it for our fine capsuleer Vector Symian and his good plan to bring content to null sec! Twisted



I am happy for your support little goon bee o7

The goon tactics it seems never cease, here good children is what we call fear mongering and it is used to try and stop the fight before it has even started by providing a terrible past event

nothing is ever so predictable

Null is going to go up in flames good sir and I hope you can try to protect it Twisted
Vector Symian
0 Fear
#119 - 2015-04-03 02:25:32 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Declaring war on *Null* is the most idiotic idea I've come by today. Congratulations.

Alternatively, you could also declare war on all Achura characters, everyone who's name starts with an A or each person that believes in another religion than you do. You live there, I live here is a barbaric reason to wage war and you should feel terrible.

Or, someone farms L5 in low, has an industry c1 for himself BUT also got a BRAVE alt. Do you shoot all his toons?



dear dear Lloyed

it is an event it means that when it kicks off...you pick the toon you wish to have participate their will be no grand fleet of massive tactical stratagem

we simply get our people in from of our favourite nulli to hate...then we run causing as much trouble as our respective fc can cause

I hope you will be there...oh wait it'll be that huge you wont have a choice Blink
Vector Symian
0 Fear
#120 - 2015-04-03 02:29:22 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
This is beginning to look like the Assault on the Falklands, where it took six months for the fleet to get there.



Hahahaha truth Lol

the reason im setting this up now is so that it has time to permeate as much of highsec as possible and to whip up the attraction and debate over the logistics

on the day some will strike directly and some will exploit whs or another avenue...not to mention if we have enough people excited that WHs might get involved

I am having so many interesting conversations with unlikely allies Blink