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Tora Bushido for CSM X - A New High-Sec (No Nerfed Disneyland)

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
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#501 - 2015-03-13 11:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
I only wanted dreads to be able to shoot large posses. No other structures. Dreads on small, medium posses, poco's would be way to easy. But right now large posses have it to easy. I don't like nerfes, so I want buffs or new mechanics.

Maybe just ignore the entire Dreads thing and give battleships in high-sec +x extra dps if they are hitting a large pos. Or a module, only to be used on battleships in high-sec, which gives you that extra dps when shooting a large pos.

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#502 - 2015-03-13 12:12:53 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
"Wars prevent large scale non-PvP corporations from being viable" If this is possible in any other part of Eve, why cant you do so in an even more safer part of Eve like high-sec ? So, I don't agree with you here. During a war, only a small part of high-sec can shoot you. In any other space, they can all shoot you. What is more dangerous to be in ? I think the biggest problem is, that high-sec has more newbies in it, that do not know yet how to counter it. When we are at war with non high-sec industrials, for example mining in high-sec, they are very hard to kill. They watch local, are often aligned, use the watch lists, run locater's from time to time and more. Smart playing keeps you alive, not nerfing the game.
The problem is that highsec has a much higher population and thus far more chance of being attacked by one of the war groups. In other areas of space you can use intel channels quite reliably and know that for the most part if someone is on their way you'll see them 10 jumps out because there's no other players around. They also stand very little chance of being able to camp you out because logistically holding a camp in enemy territory is near impossible. In highsec there isn;t this problem. An aggressor can dock in every station you can and can run logistics just as easily with alts. Ask yourself why corps like red-frog operate from NPC corps, yet null rents out space to hundreds of corps who do nothing but industry. the problem is you are saying "highsec has more mechanical safety, thus it's more safe". That's not true at all.

Tora Bushido wrote:
I don't agree with you that wars are aimless. Like I told you before, wars are also being used to kill the (industrial) competition, deny wh alliances to move through space during wh evictions, deny trade hub use, prevent (ice) miners to clear out entire belts alone and I can give you many more examples. And of course there are also wars for no reasons at all. We sometimes war dec people for flying a Drake.
Some are, but the majority are for getting easy loot and buffing killboards with easy kills. You can't actually stop players running a given activity with a war, you can only force them to do it from an NPC corp, which is why NPC corps are so full of players.

Danalee wrote:
I won't make your argument for you. That's not how it works. but I can say the following:
1- red-frog et all aren't forced to anything. They have options and choose the path of least resistance. Increasing NPC corp penalties will solve this.
- I don't feel there should be 100% PVE groups, certainly no big ones. They don't enrich the game at all, in fact they kill it.
Lol? EVE is a sandbox, people wshould be able to play however the **** they want. If a group of players wants to play PvE they should be able to and the gameplay should be balanced. As it currently stands it's not. PvE players do not kill the game. Lack of social interaction kills the game, and wars destroy that far more than PvE does. And yes, red frog are forced to operate from NPC corps because to choose otherwise would be suicide.

Danalee wrote:
I believe you mean It's pulling a number out of your behind. It isn't.
Ships drop 0% of their value. <- This isn't average. This is fact.
Now, do your math or don't bleat about numbers you don't understand nor have experience with.
Ship hulls drop 0% of their value, but if you take the total value of every kill on the killboard and what percentage of that value dropped as loot, then average that out, kills drop more than 16% of their total kill value as loot on average. It's some pretty simple stuff.

Tora Bushido wrote:
I only wanted dreads to be able to shoot large posses. No other structures. Dreads on small, medium posses, poco's would be way to easy. But right now large posses have it to easy. I don't like nerfes, so I want buffs or new mechanics.

Maybe just ignore the entire Dreads thing and give battleships in high-sec +x extra dps if they are hitting a large pos. Or a module, only to be used on battleships in high-sec, which gives you that extra dps when shooting a large pos.
You can't buff a mechanic for one group without nerfing another, so the only way to have no nerfs is to also have no buffs. What you really mean to say is you don't want nerfs to your playstyle and you couldn't care less whether other people get nerfs.

Adding dreads would buff your group but nerf owners of large POSes. Why should a large POS be even easier to take down? They've paid more up front and they pay twice as much as a medium POS in fuel specifically so their POS can be more defensible. Why should that be taken away because you want an easier time wrecking though industrial players?

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#503 - 2015-03-13 12:48:36 UTC
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PvE players do not kill the game. Lack of social interaction kills the game


Those are synonyms.

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#504 - 2015-03-13 18:01:44 UTC
Eh sometimes needs are needed ;-). Especially anti safety nerfs. And Danalee who said I wasn't running various safety rackets ;-) . Besides I rarely field expensive stuff without proper support

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#505 - 2015-03-13 21:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
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#506 - 2015-03-14 03:04:48 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
CCP are not going to make the types of changes Tora wants. They want to reduce wardecs as they are currently keeping people from forming corps in highsec that aren't purely PvP based which in turn damages player retention. Mass farming of war targets the way current highsec mers do is simply bad for business.
Whats the source of your claim ? I read and listen to almost everything in Eve and cant remember seeing it. But maybe there is another good source I didnt know about yet.
CCP plan to implement "social corporations" that you can not declare war on.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#507 - 2015-03-14 17:33:21 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
CCP are not going to make the types of changes Tora wants. They want to reduce wardecs as they are currently keeping people from forming corps in highsec that aren't purely PvP based which in turn damages player retention. Mass farming of war targets the way current highsec mers do is simply bad for business.
Whats the source of your claim ? I read and listen to almost everything in Eve and cant remember seeing it. But maybe there is another good source I didnt know about yet.
CCP plan to implement "social corporations" that you can not declare war on.
Good. This is also part of my own campaign (see OP). Gives small corps the option to grow first.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#508 - 2015-03-17 05:28:49 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
CCP are not going to make the types of changes Tora wants. They want to reduce wardecs as they are currently keeping people from forming corps in highsec that aren't purely PvP based which in turn damages player retention. Mass farming of war targets the way current highsec mers do is simply bad for business.
Whats the source of your claim ? I read and listen to almost everything in Eve and cant remember seeing it. But maybe there is another good source I didnt know about yet.
CCP plan to implement "social corporations" that you can not declare war on.
Good. This is also part of my own campaign (see OP). Gives small corps the option to grow first.
Is the social corp a social corp indefinitely, however?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

creator85
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#509 - 2015-03-17 07:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: creator85
Tora Bushido wrote:

Dreads
I want Dreads back in high-sec for more large pos fights and it will create a better market for them.

LOL, WHAT?!?!?ShockedLolLolLolLol
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#510 - 2015-03-17 11:03:09 UTC
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Social Corp/ NPC
You shouldn't be able to stay longer then 2-3 months in a NPC corp. Players should be able to create small social corps with max 10 players in it, which can’t be war decced (can still be ganked). But they also can’t own a pos, poco or future structure and they can’t war dec someone else. This might look bad, as they can freely do anything they want, but if you look at it more closely, they can still do the same things as they could do in an NPC corp. Only this way they have the chance to build up a corp. See it as a stage between NPC and a corp. The social corps do need to pay an X amount of tax or it will just become another tax/war avoiding corp.
If 10 is the correct number.... needs further study.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#511 - 2015-03-20 04:20:12 UTC
Better luck next year tora. I'll be having words with my alts if they didn't vote for you

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#512 - 2015-03-20 18:41:30 UTC
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#513 - 2015-03-21 02:27:30 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Better luck next year tora. I'll be having words with my alts if they didn't vote for you

My alts voted alright, so no arguments there.

Better luck next time Tora, cya around.

o7
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#514 - 2015-03-27 15:36:08 UTC
Round beginning - 75 candidates remain
36983 votes, 12328 quota
Initial talley:
4483 "Sion Kumitomo"
2388 "Sugar Kyle"
2078 "corebloodbrothers"
1903 "corbexx"
1805 "Chance Ravinne"
1519 "Cagali Cagali"
1354 "Manfred Sideous"
1343 "Sort Dragon"
1276 "Gorga"
1217 "Steve Ronuken"
1195 "Mike Azariah"
1099 "UAxDEATH"
928 "Migui X'hyrrn"
890 "Jayne Fillon"
798 "Thoric Frosthammer"
724 "Lorelei Ierendi"
712 "Xenuria"
686 "Bam Stroker"
643 "Tora Bushido"
593 "Gorski Car"
478 "Ashterothi"
477 "Bobmon"
454 "June Ting"
441 "Endie"
429 "Vaari"
413 "Citricioni"
404 "Khador Vess"
397 "Erika Mizune"
355 "Sabriz Adoudel"
329 "Alyxportur"
306 "Xander Phoena"
285 "NSA Bivas"
281 "Angrod Losshelin"
266 "Ariete"
263 "Aeon Boirelle"
244 "PsychoBitch"
188 "Janwa Resh"
183 "Purinpu"
173 "Vic Jefferson"
171 "Psianh Auvyander"
157 "Borat Guereen"
155 "Klapen"
143 "Lyonic"
142 "Soelent"
131 "Leelo dallasmultipas"
127 "Harry Saq"
122 "Jenshae Chiroptera"
116 "Kasken"
116 "Cycule"
109 "DomanarK"
106 "Suzy RC Mudstone"
104 "Radu Lupescu"
101 "Nervon"
94 "Ryan Farmern"
91 "Decimat Draconia"
89 "Crante"
86 "My name isJeff"
80 "Harek"
73 "Bane Cortex"
67 "Malis Caretia"
66 "Roban Crause"
63 "Dadrom"
61 "Erweb Maken"
58 "KaziKai"
57 "Aradus Gunnell"
43 "Miralissa Issa"
42 "Aiwha"
38 "CatanaFleet Red"
36 "commander aze"
31 "Bait'er De'Outlier"
28 "Michael Laloush"
26 "Soul Crusher"
26 "Perosteck Neuchatel"
16 "Justin Amalastoner"
12 "Raiealatar"

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#515 - 2015-04-01 14:00:55 UTC
Quote:
Round beginning - 19 candidates remain
Elimination: "Tora Bushido" with 984.000000 votes

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#516 - 2015-04-01 14:05:26 UTC
Pretty damed good imo

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#517 - 2015-04-01 14:29:43 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Pretty damed good imo
Yeh not bad at all. Going for CSM XI next year.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#518 - 2015-04-01 15:09:45 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Yeh not bad at all. Going for CSM XI next year.

You have my blasters

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#519 - 2015-04-02 07:41:42 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Pretty damed good imo
Yeh not bad at all. Going for CSM XI next year.
Are you going to run a serious campaign next year rather than the joke campaign from this year?

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#520 - 2015-04-02 08:27:48 UTC
Lol, its him again...... Marmite Fan boys, got to love them. Twisted

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