Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I remember my first mom, a wyvern, quite a number of years ago (well over 5-6 years ago hehe), before POS's were so popular.

You acted as a third party, while me and the owner 'traded' at a safemark.

Very nerve racking...

Part of the hassle of constructing a Super is the amount of materials needed to build one, and the associated build times, costs, and transport requirements of those materials. It's something like 20-30 freighter (note, not jump freighter) loads of components for a Super Carrier, and most of those are time consuming and expensive to manufacture. If all you need is a ****-load of Tritanium (which can be sourced locally to an extent) then it's significantly cheaper and easier to build a Decoy than a real Super, as well as being quicker.

Maybe people use this stuff, maybe they don't. Personally I find the idea of introducing "Ghost Division" mechanics into Eve pretty interesting, especially if they let you customize the Supers with player names and other info, maybe including increased Locator Agent timers, so you can actually have the pilot in that system in an Inty, then an hour before the attack you rush them over to where their Super is actually parked and the enemy's Locator Agents suddenly start taking longer to pin him down, and by that time the attack has started.



That's part of what CCP want to know, what's going to be required for people to be willing to use these structures. That's part of why they're talking about having players not lose all their stuff if one gets captured or destroyed.

I'd say it's a safe assumption that NPC stations in Null aren't going anywhere, at least in most cases. They serve a useful function and are required for existing gameplay. It's better to give these new structures benefits that make them worth living in the same way current Outposts are worth living in, and anyone who doesn't feel that's worth it doesn't have to make use of them. Risk/Reward being what it is in Eve.

Also the Supers pilots argument just means we shouldn't interfere with existing dynamics too badly with these changes, it doesn't mean the option should be left closed for new players who may be looking at training into Supers. I mean I can, in theory, fly a Super Carrier quite well. I just never will as long as that commits the character to the hull for life because he's more useful doing other things. It would still be pretty cool to have the option to fly one though, either borrowed from a friend or Alliance.

I agree. W-space intel is supposed to be difficult to receive. You won't see someone docked just like you won't see someone cloaked. Only difference is the docked ship doesn't have to fit a cloaking device.

And why should the casual pirate not be able to engage the casual worm hole player?

1. Modern support fleets are for show and milk-run patrols. The aircraft carriers have enough firepower to engage anything dumb enough to venture near it, or within strike range of its aircraft. The days of World War II, where the carrier replaced the battleship and the latter requiring massive escorts (The blob mentality) due to its inability to use any other weapon than massive long range guns that couldn't shoot anything below the horizon line, is long gone. Carriers got dive bombers for a reason you know...

2. Supers (in the real world) are not vulnerable to just anything (like say, a rubber duck sporting two guys with AK-47s and grenades), they were built to be somewhat immune to the lesser mortal threats. So the support fleet should be there for specific threats, like say, larger ships / battleships and capitals... not to counter the tiniest of frigates who shouldn't be trying to take on a super in the first place.

3. Nyx mooring games sounds like an awesome evening. But in the same breath, if you want supers to have limited docking capability, then apply this to significantly smaller outposts / stations and force sub caps to sit in a cue to dock when the capacity is full just like they do at the Jita gate when the system hits 2.4k people.... this should apply the world of risky docking to the small ships in eve and then everybody plays by the same rules....

Or are you a risk adverse rifter pilot who likes whoring on capital kills with your transversal?

Honestly, its time people stop treating their rifters like the godsent ship of Eve and allow them to get ganked by the big boys again if they try stupid things.

I think you may want to ask the rest of W-Space whether or not they want docking or not before trying to speak for the entire population. For my part I've mostly heard people be enthusiastic about the prospect of being able to dock up inside Wormholes.

Besides, if your concern is people failing to lose stuff when their structure explodes then don't allow anchoring of XL Structures, or any of the structures with loot safety mechanics. There shouldn't be a problem with docking in wormholes if it's effectively just a POS you can walk around in.

If a capital/super capital is under an aggression timer will it be unable to moor?

Same question goes to titans that have used their doomsday if they try to moor after the aggression timer has ran out but they still have the 10 minute timer of the DD will it reject their mooring?

Still think docking games in wormholes is going to be ******. I'm also concerned about the amount of effort to flip structures to new ownership. It should be more difficult than than bringing everything in and setting it up, especially since wormholes operate with less people - and it's likely someone won't be on during a vulnerability time for the 5,10 or 30 minutes it'll take.

Forcing ships to moore (capital) could be a problem, since it's going to give a huge advantage to sieging corps. They can see how many caps you have, and they can log off enough to deal with you.

Edit: to elaborate on docking - I don't want to play highsec docking games in wormhole space, that's going to **** me off. A lot.

Because there are a few mechanical problems (as in game mechanical) with the current POS shields. Like the number of ways you can get a CYNO inside one, for example, all of the various bump mechanics, and basically anything else that involves the physics engine interacting with a POS bubble. It's far easier to remove these issues by introducing a new mechanic that preserves the desirable functionality and removes the problems.

CCP have stated that currently their intention is to entirely remove POS bubbles from the game.



If they add docking then Capitals should be able to dock, Supers will have to moor but it's a Wormhole... what Supers? (I mean, besides FCFTW's secret super-fleet, ignore that)

We already have POS games, docking games can be mitigated by simply making all of these structures what is generally referred to as a "kick-out" undock. In other words you don't undock within the docking ring.

Lastly do you really think you can't at least have one guy online during what is ostensibly prime-time for your organization during the week?

That said the capture and destruction mechanics for Wormholes do need to be outlined/ironed out, since Wormholes don't exactly have a Region to fight through (or at least not an easily accessible one).

Wh groups being limited in numbers (the isk income a wh can support number) makes it difficult to cover all tz. Sure there are a few 200+ corps out there, but not many. The lower the class of wh, the fewer folks it can support. Over all it is not practical for lower class in specific and higher class in general to be able to field 23/7 coverage.

That being said, what ever mechanics are applied there should be resistant to TZ shinanigans. If US players can dunk russian/EU players while they sleep/work Russian players can dunk EU/US players while they sleep/work and EU players can dunk US/russian players while they sleep/work, well asside from a glorious first month, wh will become pretty empty.

It will be left w/ a few bears logging off in caps, logging in to farm and logging back off in short order. WH space will change it's road warrior style pvp mystique to the ultimate farmville for alt accounts. Please keep the unique circumstances of wh living in mind and don't make it so 'off time zone dunking' is a thing.