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On a Silent Battleground
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#1 - 2015-03-29 00:22:53 UTC
Well, I'm sure most of you have already noticed, but the seekers and drifters have both been witnessed cutting into the Jovian Observatory structures that have been decloaking throughout known space. From this structure they are extracting something called the Antikythera Element, which appears to have its own internal power source, though we are not yet sure of its purpose and it may take some time to run an analysis on it.

What are these drifters? Who are they? Why won't they communicate with us? What lies on the other side of their unidentified wormholes? Wherever it is seems to lie somewhere in the vicinity of Thera, probably within a few light years given the nebulas visible.

The afterglow of Caroline's Star exploding is still visible throughout New Eden. What happened there? What became of the Jovian Directorate? If their gates are offline, perhaps so too is whatever field they had that kept out stargates, jumpdrives, wormholes, and us. We should be trying to get into those systems through whatever means we can find.

What is going on? Events continue to transpire around us, and we cannot stay in the dark. What led us here? A silent battlefield in a shattered C4 might hold the answer. Some battle took place here between sleepers and Sansha, and it appears that in this system, the sleepers prevailed. The system is filled with sleepers, while there is no Sansha presence remaining beyond the silent husks of their dead capitals.

There is one ship in that site I was unable to identify, in the link above I've included a few pictures of it. It might be Talocan, but I'm honestly not sure what it is. Two wrecks like this were present, but there could have been other ships of this class present that were not destroyed in the fighting.

One thing is for sure, the sleepers in this system are not sleeping.

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Tykari
The Observatory
#2 - 2015-03-29 01:35:58 UTC
Without closer inspection I can not be 100% certain but the wreckage does appear to share some similarities with Talocan hull designs.

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-03-29 02:16:29 UTC
I cannot be certain and it has been a while since I was last in w-space but I would swear I have seen that piece of debris attached to a structure, not a ship. Is it just me or does it looks a bit like a pod?
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2015-03-29 03:09:11 UTC
An associate has also stumbled onto a silent battleground in another wormhole system, also a scene of combat between the Sansha and the Sleepers. In that case, also, a Revenant wreck lay amongst the debris of a fleet engagement.

Given that a Seyllin-type incident of great magnitude occurred at the same time that these 'shattered' systems joined our established wormhole network, given that these systems show signs of extensive combat between the Sansha and the Sleeper, and given that some of these systems are in fact overrun by the Sansha, I think it's safe to say that there is a war happening outside of our space, and the shattering of these systems was an unfortunate catastrophe resulting from this war.

Cold comfort, knowing these things.

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Bourbon Limoges
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-03-29 03:38:32 UTC
The wreckage reminds me a bit of the "space shuttles" that are scattered around in various pockets of space, at least with respect to the segmentation, coloration, and texture of the hull.
Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2015-03-30 11:34:19 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
There is one ship in that site I was unable to identify, in the link above I've included a few pictures of it. It might be Talocan, but I'm honestly not sure what it is. Two wrecks like this were present, but there could have been other ships of this class present that were not destroyed in the fighting.


Saede, if you compare the mentioned wrecks with Talocan Reactor Spires, Disruption Towers, and especially Talocan Extraction Silos, you'll find some striking resemblances in design. I can't tell about size, since the pictures (including mine) have no reliable scale.

The Talocan structures I mentioned were present on the Epicenter site of a C4 shattered system. Along with some very strange ships I and my fellow capsuleers couldn't specify. I have some stills and could put together a portfolio if needed.

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Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
#7 - 2015-03-30 12:16:42 UTC
I can think of only one group of ships that vaguely mimic this design esthetic: Sisters of Eve. Look at the Nestor, in particular.

There are 4 Sanctuary stations in Thera.

As for the unidentified wrecks we spotted in a C4 with an epicenter, please take a look at one of the least-degraded wrecks:

http://i.imgur.com/iAVcI4U.png
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2015-03-30 15:18:15 UTC
I agree witht the above psoters that say the wrecks appear to be Talocan in design.

As for the image above, the front end of that ship somehow reminds me of Strategic Cruiser designs.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-03-30 20:16:30 UTC
Agreed. If I didn't know better, I would suggest that Pilot dAstres' photograph resembles a battered Tengu.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2015-03-30 21:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Something else according to that old historical record ?
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-03-31 13:56:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
From the configuration, I'd say that looks like a colonist transport of some kind. There's little in the way of obvious armament or defences and it's under-engined for its volume and estimated mass, all of which points to a lot of spare interior space. A ship that large with that much spare space says either "freighter" or "personnel transport" and there's no obvious port for cargo containers to enter the hull.

Pre-Collapse civilian transport seems the most likely explanation to me.

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Author of The Deathworlders
Jade Blackwind
#12 - 2015-03-31 14:35:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Pre-Collapse means Terran.

The main corpus of legends, speculations and theories that involve Terrans postulates that what we currently know as New Eden was colonized through the so-called Eve Gate.

If we are finding remnants of original Terran ships in wormhole space, it means that w-space lies on the other side of the Eve Gate and that gate was, technically, just a very stable static wormhole.

Terra, or Earth, the original homeworld of humanity, lies somewhere beyond the belt of class 6 systems, and what we call Sleepers are the ultimate vestiges of the Terran civilization.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-03-31 14:42:05 UTC
woah, woah, hold on there.

As strong an advocate as I may be for Earthism, pre-Collapse does not automatically mean Terran. We don't know for certain how long the collapse took to complete, nor exactly how large and productive the infrastructure on this side was, and that's assuming the Earth theory is correct (which I'm personally quite convinced it is but let's stay detached here)

This next bit...

Quote:
If we are finding remnants of original Terran ships in wormhole space, it means that w-space lies on the other side of the Eve Gate


...is a complete non-sequitur. You'd expect to find (presumably) Terran colony ships (if they are colony ships) in the volume of space being colonised, rather than in the homelands of humanity, surely?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Jade Blackwind
#14 - 2015-03-31 15:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Of course! "Our" WH space is on the very fringes of the former Terran settlement zone. The "homelands" lie further into the unknown space, where the second exit if the EVE gate is, and we haven't found it yet. If WH space is not within the Terran "lands", then just how not one, but numerous Terran ships ended up there, so far from New Eden? Wormhole network didn't exist back then... Or did it? WH space lies far out of jumpdrive range from New Eden, if we take it as a center from which the Terran colonization spreads in our larger galaxy. Travelling through conventional space with sub-light speed is out of the question, and if they got there with warp, then the question arises: why? There are plenty of habitable planets that are easier to reach, but were never colonized. Why they suddenly picked a random cluster thousands of light years away from EVE gate and sent transports there?

The same question applies to any other pre-collapse culture.

Now, to Talocans. I see it that the Talocans have mastered the art of controlling wormholes through the usage of so-called "static gates". They had opened the way to WH space and began to explore and colonize it millennia ago, just as we are doing it now. They probably also disturbed the Sleepers just as we do. Then, something awakened, and the Talocans were either removed from WH space, or their civilization was destroyed entirely everywhere, including New Eden.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-03-31 15:50:51 UTC
Quote:
"Our" WH space is on the very fringes of the former Terran settlement zone. The "homelands" lie further into the unknown space, where the second exit if the EVE gate is, and we haven't found it yet.


[citation needed]

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2015-03-31 19:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Of course! "Our" WH space is on the very fringes of the former Terran settlement zone. The "homelands" lie further into the unknown space, where the second exit if the EVE gate is, and we haven't found it yet. If WH space is not within the Terran "lands", then just how not one, but numerous Terran ships ended up there, so far from New Eden? Wormhole network didn't exist back then... Or did it? WH space lies far out of jumpdrive range from New Eden, if we take it as a center from which the Terran colonization spreads in our larger galaxy. Travelling through conventional space with sub-light speed is out of the question, and if they got there with warp, then the question arises: why? There are plenty of habitable planets that are easier to reach, but were never colonized. Why they suddenly picked a random cluster thousands of light years away from EVE gate and sent transports there?

The same question applies to any other pre-collapse culture.


There is too little information available to conclude that pre collapse interstellar traffic and technology is similar to what New Eden uses now. And even now, some like the 3rd Jove Directorate uses widely differing tech, and older civilizations like sleepers, Talocan, and else, present us every day with a piece of technology we can not understand.

It is hasty to state that the wormhole network did not exist back then as we do not know if some Anoikis inhabitants pre-date the collapse or not (depending if they come from the same roots, or not). It is hasty to state that the wormhole network was not accessible since we do not know the technology used at that time, and it is also of note that the current gate network in charted space did not exist either except a few first ones.

It is thus rather uncertain how those ships actually traveled.
Jade Blackwind
#17 - 2015-03-31 19:53:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
If only we could construct a jump drive that could lock onto the mass of a star instead of the cynosural beacon, the whole galaxy would be instantly open to us, and so many painful questions could be answered.

Perhaps, they, the people before the Collapse, knew how to do that?
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2015-03-31 22:22:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
What is however technically not probable, is that in Earthology, if those Terran colonists came from the other side of the Eve Gate, it means that they needed that gate to come in New Eden. It thus implies limitations on their travel drives and/or distances. It also means that Anoikis is probably not connected to the other side.

That is, within the realm of Earthology. In the realms of other origin theories, the question is irrelevant.

It also takes for granted that those ship design seen here are indeed dating back to... "colonists" of any sort. Dating back to pre-collapse does not necessarily means Earth colonists, only to please Earthologists.
Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
#19 - 2015-04-01 01:13:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Feu dAstres
Ah, I neglected to include the under-side view of that ship:

http://i.imgur.com/gqbkuLH.png

Here are the openings for cargo. The cargo bay appears to be completely empty.

Our group did run ship and cargo scans on all such wrecks (LCO's) and found nothing.

As for a link ... these may be found in the Shattered Systems.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#20 - 2015-04-01 06:15:45 UTC
Please send me a message containing a link to this site. I would like to take a team to personally investigate this site. Also, if anyone clears out these observatories in Amarr, Caldari, or Gallente space send me a message with a link to the location.

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