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ATTN Breaking Remap/Attribute news! U gonna be mad btw

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Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#41 - 2015-03-29 13:00:44 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this.

I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk.


You know what would be completely unnecessary,
but actually really good crowd control?


Everyone receives a free remap ... FOR FREE! ;)



Personally I'd totally be against this, because we shouldn't acknowledge whining with a present ...
... but that's just my personal opinion. It'd be a good way to control the crowd.


Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so.

I have about the same SP as you and I'm not bothered by not getting bonus remaps now.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#42 - 2015-03-29 13:03:12 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard.

They give you a choice.

You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#43 - 2015-03-29 13:04:29 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Nope cuz i want 2 (TWO) free ones.
They get 2 free 1s, i demand 2 free 1s!!!
T WO
I like how you prove my first post in this thread absolutely right.


OTOH at the moment I am unable to tell if you're just trolling ...
... or really are that way. I don't want to bother looking through your posting history.



You deserve nothing.


I hereby sentence you to death by snoosnoo. (what's the spellnig again?)
The fat small chick is on it's way already.


Dismissed.

This thread sums up well every thread this OP has ever posted.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#44 - 2015-03-29 13:32:11 UTC
Why should I be mad? Sounds like a good idea.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#45 - 2015-03-29 14:03:55 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5502968#post5502968

58page mega thread we just had about how they gonna remove them. Ccp darwin made like over 15replies in it 2 before ezdwall locked it. Guess thats off table now?

And Seriosuly why nothing from ccp when they implemented this major change???????!?


note darwin's job title copy/paste from his forum sig: Senior Technical Artist

and meh, I still have 2 bonus remaps from years back when they gave them to everyone, and some of my alts have 3

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Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#46 - 2015-03-29 14:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5502968#post5502968

58page mega thread we just had about how they gonna remove them. Ccp darwin made like over 15replies in it 2 before ezdwall locked it. Guess thats off table now?

And Seriosuly why nothing from ccp when they implemented this major change???????!?


note darwin's job title copy/paste from his forum sig: Senior Technical Artist

and meh, I still have 2 bonus remaps from years back when they gave them to everyone, and some of my alts have 3


Agreed. Attribute remaps are overrated and only cater to OCD game players like the OP. Who then inflict whinging post after whinging post about how this that or the other is all so unfair.

Yeah, there was no official dev post even suggesting that they would remove attributes. It was a lone dev from the art deparment repeatedly posting in a thread that he personally sorta maybe liked the idea and was asking to relevant devs about it at lunch or wherever. It took a while, but his boss probably finally told him, in a non workplace violence appropriate fashion, to STFU

Anyway, OP, your tears . . .

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#47 - 2015-03-29 14:28:30 UTC
Removed some troll posts.

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2015-03-29 14:28:31 UTC
And here I thought we'd make it full week without one of this OP's beautifully constructed, reasonable, and worthwhile threads.

Whew. Dodged that bullet.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2015-03-29 16:30:20 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard.

They give you a choice.

You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill.


Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? Roll

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P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2015-03-29 17:05:05 UTC
Who cares about remaps. And please, new players (not alts) probably don't even know/use this feature. It only helps older accounts with those pesky LvL 5 books needing completed (obviously by increasing the points to that book's primary and secondary attribute).
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2015-03-29 17:06:41 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard.

They give you a choice.

You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill.


Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? Roll


Well, isn't that the purpose of character attributes? To enhance your character's abilities whether you are going for a arcane ranger in D&D or training skill XYZ to 5 in EVE?

If character attributes is by your definition a "unneeded level of complexity", I strongly advise you taking some math classes.

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#52 - 2015-03-29 17:12:27 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Who cares about remaps.
I'd love to have extra bonus remaps to concentrate on skill sets like drones, navigation, leadership, trade, etc. that don't require a year to train.

Actually, I'd rather have regular remaps available every 6-12 months instead of 1 year since last remap.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#53 - 2015-03-29 17:42:07 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard.

They give you a choice.

You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill.


Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? Roll

So I guess you would be ok with it, if attributes would be dropped and you could train with same speed as you currently can with a flat point distribution
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#54 - 2015-03-29 17:51:07 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
It took a while, but his boss probably finally told him, in a non workplace violence appropriate fashion, to STFU

Nobody asked me to stop posting, I just felt the discussion had run its course. I normally don't post on matters that don't have to do with art and graphics, but in this instance I'd been talking about these questions with the folks on the team and they were fine with me diving into the forum thread.

Anyway, as far as I understand, there's nothing new to add to the Winter CSM minutes on the possibility of changes to or removal of attributes, other than that the game development team did read all the back-and-forth in that earlier thread. And, I can't really offer you any insight into the additional remap question.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins
Orlacc
#55 - 2015-03-29 17:56:23 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Just happened. All new toons start with FOUR (4) Bonus remaps IN ADDition to the 1 timed one.
So go make a new toon, see you have FIVE (5) remaps avaliable.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/30lqrk/psa_new_characters_now_have_4_bonus_1_timed_remap/

Y u gonna be mad???

Umm p-sure this means the whole "attribute removal" thing is out the window
Also Im young, Y dont i get 2 extra remaps????

Also, ccp y u just secretly add stuff like this to the game without any info/blog/freakjng anything about it??
Seriosuly i shouldnt have 2 break this news ccp.


Go away.



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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#56 - 2015-03-29 17:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lykouleon
I just find that it's ****ing hilarious that this thread was started by someone in an alliance that greatly benefits from pulling in new people.

Fake edit: And for Pete's sake, OP: unless you're still kicking it all chill in the parking lot after school on your sweet Moto Razr, you have a full keyboard in front of you and no text limit. Proper. English.

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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#57 - 2015-03-29 18:20:44 UTC
If CCP removes attributes then all the pedantic, obsessive compulsive, bean counting accountant types might up and quit. That's like 97.68512% of the player base.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2015-03-29 19:21:01 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard.

They give you a choice.

You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill.


Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? Roll

So I guess you would be ok with it, if attributes would be dropped and you could train with same speed as you currently can with a flat point distribution


That was the point of my post... yes.

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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2015-03-29 19:29:36 UTC
This really just seems like a band aid to help new players while they work on their plan to remove attributes....

I'm not sure why so many people are leaping to conclusions.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2015-03-29 20:36:13 UTC
Anonymous Forumposter wrote:
This really just seems like a band aid to help new players while they work on their plan to remove attributes....

I'm not sure why so many people are leaping to conclusions.


Um we kinda have to when major changes are implemented and NOONE from CCP bothers to tell us about it, let alone why