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Drifter Weapons - An Observation

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Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
#1 - 2015-03-25 20:54:19 UTC
Greetings fellow Capsuleers.

I come to you not as a scientist, nor do I make claim to be of great authority in any particular topic. I am simply no more than an underpaid, and underutilized, business relations officer for my small corporation, Hellhound Productions. Given my position, it leaves me plenty of opportunity to observe and theorize about many things and like nearly all others in New Eden, I too have been curious to learn more about these Drifter battleship sightings.

One thing I've been paying particular attention to in watching recorded video logs of combat with the Drifters is their weapon effects.

First, looking at the base weapons, the Lux Kontos as Concord has dubbed them, and the description given by Concord:

Quote:
This strange weapon system appears to be semi-autonomous, floating freely from the vessel deploying it. Analysis of the weapon’s firing signature indicates a broad spectrum of disruptive energies are used against its targets.

Nowhere in this description does it really indicate what this weapon actually consists of, or how it works. This is where the videos come in and my own analysis, or rather thoughts. However, once again I’d like to point out that I am definitely NOT a scientist and I fear I may be stepping into areas of knowledge and theory far beyond my capacity to comprehend with my simple business relations education.

When you look at the impact of most weapons systems, particularly on the hull of a ship, it’s a release of energy. The energy seemingly and quite visually exploding outward upon impact. However, I observed, as seen in this short capture (LINK), that this is not the case with the energy impact emitted from the Lux Kontos. Instead of exploding outwards, it appears to be imploding inwards. It’s also not so much an explosion or implosion of energy but rather almost appearing to be a warping of space around it. This can also be observed in the energy beams themselves as seen in this image (LINK) One also then takes into consideration that these weapons seem to damage on all spectrums, as stated by Concord. It’s almost as if these Drifters are creating some sort of singularity on the surface of our ships, negating all defenses, thus why the “impacts” appear to be so heavily damaging. They’re not actually impacting our hulls. They’re imploding our hulls.

When that isn't working fast enough, then they release their super weapon which leads me to my second set of thoughts.

I remember seeing Caroline’s star for the first time and thinking how strange it certainly did appear. I remember watching it grow over time and then it’s final days as it appears to have exploded or… something. Now I’m watching the combat videos, particularly when the Drifter’s fire their main weapon and it suddenly dawns on me. Both the source and the impact of the main weapon seems to appear quite familiar. Compare the following:

Caroline’s Star
Main weapon firing
Main weapon impact 1
Main weapon impact 2

Now this might be stretching it a bit but the similarities between the two are rather peculiar in my opinion. Could they in any way be related? Could they be of the same science, the same type of explosion? Just on a smaller scale? And if it is on a smaller scale…. My god, what sort of weapon could have caused Caroline’s Star??

Again, just some thoughts I’d been having that I decided I’d like some other’s feedback on.

Ambassador Crane
Business Relations Manager
Hellhound Productions
Thea Isotalo
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-03-26 00:32:45 UTC
Wow...

You're talking some real theoretical stuff.

But when you put it like that, you're talking about a meson gun.

More correctly, a meson accelerator. It goes like this. The collision of an electron and a positron creates a pi neutral meson. Mesons have short half-lives, which can be prolonged to precise duration by accelerating them to relativistic speeds. Mesons do not interact significantly with other particles, and matter is therefore transparent to them. By controlling the velocity of the beam, the mesons may be caused to decay inside a target, producing intense radiation effects.

Weaponize that, set your range and aim the point of decay inside a ship's hull.

Yeah...that would do it. That kind of energy release could take out a cap ship ridiculously easy.

If they have meson guns...

Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#3 - 2015-03-26 03:48:02 UTC
Hmm. Your theory seems sound. Let's see what developing data points to.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-03-26 03:50:41 UTC
Graelyn wrote:
Hmm. Your theory seems sound. Let's see what developing data points to.


likewise
Bourbon Limoges
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-03-26 04:48:15 UTC
The image of Caroline's Star can be explained by a spinning dense object surrounded by an accretion disk. As matter falls onto/into the dense object, it is torn apart. That, in turn, produces high energy jets out the poles.

Mesons would be an interesting particle to weaponize, but the warping effects described seem more consistent with gravity.

Manipulating gravity to bend space could explain the image of Caroline's Star. If the core were compressed artificially, it could trigger collapse in a star that otherwise lacked the density for such a process. The formation of a black hole with a horizon of any appreciable size inside the core of a star would be catastrophic. The black hole would immediately begin to consume the star, growing rapidly in the process. If the black hole had spin, the "host" star would be distorted into an accretion disks, with jets out the poles, and voila.
Thea Isotalo
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-03-26 20:47:24 UTC
Caroline's Star? I'm still crunching the numbers on that one. I'm actually looking into Muons at this point...

And thanks everyone for the public and private support.

Jukko and I talked to several people and we've gotten a few more points to consider.

The Jove towers. The damage that we've seen to them look like an explosive force with trace radiation (that glow you notice). But the debris is consistent with an explosion that occurred from the inside, out. No point of entry. This would be consistent with a meson beam.

The objects that people have recovered from Seeker wrecks seem to be a kind of power source or converter? I haven't seen one up close (would love to, hint, hint) but a meson weapon would probably need a lot of power. Or a new (to us) power source. I did some initial designs on how one could be mounted on a ship, and all I got was basically you build the gun and then strap engines on it. Which might be what they've done with those battleships. I'd hate to see a Drifter Titan...

Ok, so my work ethic is such that I don't believe in a free lunch and I can't present a problem without some kind of solution.

How do we defend against a meson gun?

Rock. Lots of rock. Dense, eclogite, basaltic rock. So that's good news for people planetside, but not so good for us up here. Unless we all want to start flying asteroids...ok, ok...

The second option is a kind of dampening screen. I'm still working on schematics (bigger brains than mine are always welcome), but you'd have to project a screen around the vessel, like our shield systems. The screen would be like a radiation dampening system. It would try to trigger as much of the meson's decay, before it reached the target (the inside of a ship or station). Maybe the additional shielding we've seen with Drifters is a dampening screen?

And finally. I think at this point we're going to have to start thinking of a capture. I mean, we're all for peaceful co-existence, but the threat ratio for their tech is really going up fast. The Jove kicked the Amarr's butts (sorry!) and these guys might be the ones who took out the Jove (at least as we knew them). And we use a lot of leftover Jove and Sleeper tech.

Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
#7 - 2015-03-27 15:46:24 UTC
I have a slight issue with where this is headed. The Meson effect, as described, would be consistent with the Lux Kontos weapon fire given their "impacts" appear to be space imploding into the focal point. Damaging yes, but manageable to some extent. However, their main weapon, or their doomsday for lack of knowing it's proper name, appears to be a much different sort of weapon. It appears to be utilizing a different science than the Lux Kontos weapon system. In fact, it's firing and impact is fairly similar to that of the Aurora Ominae or Judgement doomsday weapons.

The only reason I brought up the Drifter battleship doomsday was the similarity between the Drifter doomsday impact to that of Caroline's Star. Green surrounding gas hue, yellowish/white core light, polar line of light, etc. I find it much more disturbing that a weapon capable of taking down a capital with one shot, that has that much damage potential, can be carried on a battleship sized vessel. If this IS the same explosion type that created Caroline's Star then it raises a few other questions. Can the doomsday weapon carried by the Drifter battleships be capable of creating an explosion as big as Caroline's Star appeared? The impact on our ships seems so minuscule to that seen in Caroline's Star. If the Drifter battleships are not capable of such but it's still the same type of weapon, only on a grander scale, then what size ship would be necessary to carry one capable of such a thing? If we were to scale it on a 1 to 1 basis, I’m making a completely rough guess in saying maybe it would equate to something the size of a small planet?

And why not something of that magnitude? In the recent months, better construction methods have given way to the possibilities of creating objects on a larger scale. Creating greater magnitude and size for simply more effort. However, these Drifter’s are obviously leaps ahead of our own technology and capability, so who would really dare say they are not capable of building something that massive and that insanely powerful? Truth is in the magnitude of the Jove listening posts.

Frankly, even with all the Capsuleer efforts, I feel as though we're only touching the surface of these Drifters and their capabilities. It’s as though we are only seeing the tip of the spear. I shudder at the thought of what the entire spear looks like.

But I wouldn't be surprised if SOE knows…
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#8 - 2015-03-28 13:01:27 UTC
First time I saw footage from Drifter weapons in action, I did get the impression too of them causing some sort of implosion. My personal theory is that they use gravity in the same way their "propulsion rods" seem to propel their craft through space. I haven't got the chance to investigate more of it myself yet, but the possibilites such technology open are mind-blowing.