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Name change service "sooner rather than later"

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-03-27 13:11:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
id like a name change :(

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Dominique Vasilkovsky
#22 - 2015-03-27 13:13:20 UTC
Terrible idea, do not want.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#23 - 2015-03-27 13:18:23 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c


This, there so many people that fly around with names against the EULA that is scrapes by until reported by someone.
and this would make it easier for you to jump into corps that you've been kicked out of for some reason or another.
If you have a good rep then you have a good rep'
if you choose to do what ever you want because this is a game and thus develop a bad rep then ohwell, your irresponsibility is on you, not like most people don't have alts anyways.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#24 - 2015-03-27 13:20:42 UTC
Medreena Burstin wrote:
So long as contacts roll over and an aka is added i am ok with it. I think its a horribly bad idea though.

The contacts issue has been explained by CCP before when we've had this discussion and yes, there will be no problem for contacts.

From my recollection, contacts are stored against character ID, not character name. Since the character ID in the database will not change even if a name is changed, contacts will continue unaffected.
Snafu Coaxer
The World of Doom Squad
#25 - 2015-03-27 13:30:34 UTC
Yes!! Finally CCP!

They said there will be a "name history" so stop crying
UberFly
Metallurgy Incorporated
#26 - 2015-03-27 13:31:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

We said, guy who in the future will be named "BOOberfly" Big smile


Wow, you're really close, but I was thinking: BewborFly Big smile
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#27 - 2015-03-27 13:31:34 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Medreena Burstin wrote:
So long as contacts roll over and an aka is added i am ok with it. I think its a horribly bad idea though.

The contacts issue has been explained by CCP before when we've had this discussion and yes, there will be no problem for contacts.

From my recollection, contacts are stored against character ID, not character name. Since the character ID in the database will not change even if a name is changed, contacts will continue unaffected.

Confirming.

Sibyyl actually tested this once, by creating a character,
posting on the forums, deleting it and creating a new one with the same name.

The old one stayed put, exactly as it was.
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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-03-27 13:38:52 UTC
I would support a one time name change as part of a character sale, so long as old names are available as part of the show info screen.

Aside from that, no. If you chose a name you now hate, all I can say is stop sucking.

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Medreena Burstin
Galactic Salvage Corporation
#29 - 2015-03-27 13:43:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Medreena Burstin
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Medreena Burstin wrote:
So long as contacts roll over and an aka is added i am ok with it. I think its a horribly bad idea though.

The contacts issue has been explained by CCP before when we've had this discussion and yes, there will be no problem for contacts.

From my recollection, contacts are stored against character ID, not character name. Since the character ID in the database will not change even if a name is changed, contacts will continue unaffected.


Then I'd like to slightly move the goal posts and request a concord email when it happens and expose this change in the Api.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#30 - 2015-03-27 13:46:14 UTC
Nay

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#31 - 2015-03-27 13:47:27 UTC
Medreena Burstin wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Medreena Burstin wrote:
So long as contacts roll over and an aka is added i am ok with it. I think its a horribly bad idea though.

The contacts issue has been explained by CCP before when we've had this discussion and yes, there will be no problem for contacts.

From my recollection, contacts are stored against character ID, not character name. Since the character ID in the database will not change even if a name is changed, contacts will continue unaffected.


Then I'd like to slightly move the goal posts and request a concord email when it happens and expose this change in the Api.

You mean, everone who has the renaming person as a contact,
should receive a notification-mail?

What for?
The person in question might rename himself for the reason to not
be found by those who know him, so this would completely remove the point.


Just because everyone can potentially see who he was,
doesn't mean everyone should know right from the spot.
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2Sonas1Cup
#32 - 2015-03-27 14:05:56 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c


I must admit contrary to what I would immediately vote for, I agree with this to some extent (perhaps even bigger extent than what I disagree, sadly but true).

The fact that eve is a game where the social part plays a major role along with your character personality, reputation as you said, and history it would make little to no sense allowing people to change name as it would destroy or kill a very important and most certainly interesting part of this game.

HOWEVER

People buy, transfer and sell characters all the time for one reason or another, and because of this I don't agree with the idea of someone to be obligated to carry on with the old reputation of someone else who used that character before.

And also if you think about it, anyone could pretend to be a different person behind any character at any time and claim he has just bought it.

With that said

I see no reason to stop people from name changing.

Now

Should CCP limit it to 1 name change allowed per year? Yes, they should.

Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#33 - 2015-03-27 14:11:33 UTC
Something else they can charge a PLEX for. Can SP boosts be far behind?

I guess they'll need to add an "AKA" tab so we can track name changes. I'm sure it will help the character market, too, because people can buy a character and change the name and appearance and make it their own.
kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-03-27 14:13:42 UTC
So so so in favour of this.

I don't want to change my name to "escape" my reputation. Not that I really have one, but either way I'm very happy to accept that if they did introduce it it should be clear what your previous name was and contacts standings stay the same etc etc.

My boyfriend just recently re-subbed and also asked me about whether you can change your name yet, because I think it's a shame to devote so many skillpoints and devotion to a character whose name you don't even like. To the people who just say "oh suck it up" well I have, but the 30 seconds I spent typing in random names and coming up with this ****** one shouldn't really mean I get penalised with such an unsexy boring name for the rest of my time in EVE (may it be long). Or at least that's how I feel.
Kuga
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2015-03-27 14:14:04 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:
At this stage, there are no details, and implementing this feature isn't even a sure thing yet. But as CCP Terminus said, it's definitely something we've talked about internally (and even mentioned before this externally).

We'll let you know more in the future if we move forward with it.



A feature like this should be limited to recently bought characters where it can be confirmed manually that another player is actually using the character.

To be quite frank I don't care how much money this is worth to CCP, it's a bad idea to allow open name changing and I'm rather disappointed that the company is contemplating following a course of short term profit over long term integrity.

A character's name is the only true identification they have in the game available to other players. Other than this all we see is a space ship. Taking that away compromises everything that EVE is about. All those political ploys, thefts and underhanded activities and other black marks are rendered meaningless if a character can clean slate themselves so easily, and well you know it.

I don't make the game, but at least I'm in touch with what it's about. I might suggest developers invest some time doing the same.
Syrilian
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-03-27 14:14:13 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c


I must admit contrary to what I would immediately vote for, I agree with this to some extent (perhaps even bigger extent than what I disagree, sadly but true).

The fact that eve is a game where the social part plays a major role along with your character personality, reputation as you said, and history it would make little to no sense allowing people to change name as it would destroy or kill a very important and most certainly interesting part of this game.

HOWEVER

People buy, transfer and sell characters all the time for one reason or another, and because of this I don't agree with the idea of someone to be obligated to carry on with the old reputation of someone else who used that character before.






If you don't want the reputation of a character, don't buy the character. I completely do not like the idea of being able to change names. This game is all about consequences for your actions. Changing a player's name goes a long way in letting someone avoid the consequences of their actions.
Serene Repose
#37 - 2015-03-27 14:16:02 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Im gonna change my name to Mooshi and make posts how im addicted to porno (true, sad story btw)
Why am I not surprised? At the same time, my low-level interest lamp isn't even lit.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-03-27 14:16:29 UTC
Surely the thing that's more detrimental to maintaining or losing a reputation is character selling, not name changing?
Moshi
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-03-27 14:38:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Moshi
kes88 wrote:
Surely the thing that's more detrimental to maintaining or losing a reputation is character selling, not name changing?


Yes. It's funny how allowing a name change with an easy way to see the previous name of a character being played by the same person somehow trashes the concept of personal reputation and allows people to escape consequences, but the selling of a character to be played by a completely different person somehow doesn't. It's almost as if people don't bring this up because they are happy to make billions of ISK selling characters.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-03-27 14:49:58 UTC

I can understand Chribbs's point, but name changes have already been a part of the game and we've been learning to deal with it.


  • Pilots biomass and other pilots take their name. The old pilot's posts still show up in the new pilot's history, but the new pilot has a new Character ID (as stated).

  • Pilots restored from biomass who have had their name taken (like would happen with Marlona since someone has already reserved the name)

  • There is a large number of Amarr/Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar Citizens ##### running around in EVE because they were old trial accounts who lost their names or they had offensive names (like AC). What's funny is, AC's posts sometimes shows their old name if you refresh the page enough times so there are still gaps in the system.

  • Corporations also get deleted or renamed due to being offensive.


I wouldn't deign to know more about EVE reputation than Chribbs, but my sense is that reputation is a complex interplay of many different things, not just your name.

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