Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Probably every region have 1-2 NPC made stations.
I assume that they will be still the only ones not destroyable at any point ( good for history and eve law, leaves many possibles open for the future).

When applicable structure is destroyed in region , assets are being transferred :
To nearest Alliance Owned NPC XL structure or to nearest NPC made station.

If it is not owned by your alliance - well you will need to take it over.

Duplicate post.

They want to make all stations destructable.
Inevitably they will back off from this, and keep NPC stations in lowsec and highsec. So guess where everybody's going to move their stuff.

New hacking mini game on a structure can drop anyone?

there are two types of structures that most people in eve call stations right now, nullsec player-built outposts, and true stations that have existed since the game was created.

currently the development team have indicated they would like to make changes that would render the player-built outposts only destructible, along with the new structures that will replace both outposts and POSes

the big problem is that there are a LOT of old player assets in these outposts, because of previous game mechanics and CCP indications that these would remain 'safe havens' for player assets

a big part of the design challenge is either designing a system that allows emergent gameplay without causing massive harm to affected players, or doing a one-time "clean slate" of all assets in null outposts to allow for a better design that will then not have to account for unsubscribed accounts/legacy assets.

as a wormholer you made a conscious choice with full knowledge of the risks/rewards and with a specific set of expectations. you are correct is saying that loss is a part of eve, however in nearly all cases you know the risks before you choose (or not) to take them.

choice vs imposition is a big deal. impositions cause massive changes in player psychology because they set a precedent of "even if you calculate your risks you can still get ****** by changes on a whim" which is bad for the continued health of the game.

loss in eve should be meaningful, and usually that's a result of choosing to take a calculated risk and succeeding or failing. getting screwed by something you had no way to expect or plan for is not meaningful, its just **** game design.

basic premise: outpost destruction is cool, loss of assets for those that put them there when a different set of assumptions was in play is not.

Another high school kid that doesn't grasp the concept that there is life outside of EVE. If the game demands a 24 hour commitment, it will lose most of its players. Permanent loss of assets is a great mechanic when you are actually playing the game, not when it means you can't log out for a family vacation.

I say clean slate works good to clean all outposts of members that have in inactive or let there subscription lapse. After CCP does then change to a new system.

Simple idea to make use of station vaults. Stuff in hanger gets dropped as loot however if you have things in a station vault is has and emergency broadcast system that SOE gathers all the stuff and ships it to your home station. So you can put your ships and any high priced items in your station vault. if you forget or don't think about it then you loose your stuff.

As far as how to transition from the old system to the new system, there is an additional consideration. There are people with automatic monthly subscription that are letting their characters train, but don't log in or read the patch notes.


I'm starting to lean heavily towards an optional clean-slate. (Dons flame-resistant gear...)

After Patch:
A list of items in destructible station(s) is saved server-side. Only these items are eligible for relocation, to prevent abuse post-patch. (This way corps can't continuously transfer items to old characters to abuse the system.) (Unfortunately, pre-patch preparations are hard to account for.)
On each login, for a week until a selection is made, a popup appears if you have stuff in destructible station(s) with a link to explain what is happening.
Players who got the popup and didn't choose anything within a week, have their stuff moved to a station automatically after the timer expires.
If a station is destroyed before a player has chosen an option, their stuff is moved to a safe station. (Maybe from all destructible stations.)

Popup choices (select one):
1) Move ALL personal items from ALL destructible stations to a single high or low security station. (Low sec would be the only option for those with capital sized ships.)
2) Leave all items in all destructible stations

Once a player's stuff was moved, and they are logged in, a popup explains that their items (that were in destructible stations) have been automatically moved to another station (specified).

CCP options for people who don't login for 1-2 months after patch:
A) All characters that aren't logged in within 1 month (maybe two) will have their items moved automatically.
B) Save list of items, possibly forever, until the character logs in next. (I'm pretty sure this is a really bad option from a maintainability perspective...)

Though this can be abused to an extent, it is fair to everyone.

Quoting in order to boggle future grammarian-archaeologists.
Dev blog states:

And then enumerates them: deployables, POCO, POS, sov structures, and Outposts. No distinction is made between player-built or NPC-owned outposts.

Then under the heading "Keep Calm, Your Stuff is Safe" it says "Not removing existing structures without transition time." In other words, existing structures will be removed.

I don't know what some dev might have said at Fanfest while drunk, but this is what they've written down. There is every indication that they are thinking about removing all stations and going over to the new system, albeit gradually.