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As Long As Grid Fu Exists, we're being duped.
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Serene Repose
#1 - 2015-03-26 12:58:30 UTC
As long as players can manipulate the actual shape of the playing board, and in a way that is virtually undetectable with certainty, the game is rigged. You cannot believe what you're looking at. What is Grid Fu? Take some time and read this.

GRID FU A Practical Manual (By Goonwaffles)

How is this not an exploit? Hmmm?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#2 - 2015-03-26 13:01:11 UTC
How exactly would you have the server partition grids?
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#3 - 2015-03-26 13:01:37 UTC
Posting in a cloaky grr goon thread.
Memphis Baas
#4 - 2015-03-26 13:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
It's been linked periodically since that article was written (quite a long time ago).

From what I understand, it takes a long time to set up (you have to manipulate it in specific ways with ships), which makes it somewhat difficult to use on a whim or when enemies are around.

So I think CCP is considering the amount of effort required to change the grid code (which affects everything in space) vs. just how much usage this exploit sees, and the benefits / damages it causes, and you can see the result of that consideration (no action taken).

In any case, keep in mind that discussing exploits on the forums is prohibited. So, I mean, change your mind and don't call it an exploit if you want to discuss it (oops too late I guess).
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#5 - 2015-03-26 13:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Solecist
Why would it be an exploit?

It's clever use of game mechanics.
No one is exploiting a weakness in design or code.

The fact that space works this way is by design. Furthermore does it
add quite a lot to the game, because it adds another tactical element.

And besides that, manipulated grids are only really reliable from downtime to downtime
and can be manipulated even further by anyone else.

Don't be one of these haters. Weirdly enough,
your now more generic (pretty, but still...) looking portrait reminds me of them.

Also... You didn't reply to my mail. :(
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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#6 - 2015-03-26 13:08:20 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
In any case, keep in mind that discussing exploits on the forums is prohibited. So, I mean, change your mind and don't call it an exploit if you want to discuss it (oops too late I guess).

I think most people here are mature enough to understand the difference between discussing an exploit, and discussing whether something that isn't an exploit should be considered one.

I say most, because there are inevitably a few numbskulls who crop up and conflate the two.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#7 - 2015-03-26 13:13:00 UTC
Do you whine about everything? I mean, this is some pretty long standing stuff here, well known by the devs and players alike, and you are up in arms like you just heard about it.

So do you just rotate complaining topics, or did you seriously only find out about this just now?

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#8 - 2015-03-26 13:15:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So do you just rotate complaining topics, or did you seriously only find out about this just now?

I'm starting to think Serene has a taste for hoop earrings and plaid blouses.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#9 - 2015-03-26 13:16:58 UTC
yeah as one that used to incap pos mods all day in a solo battleship I used to abuse the gun range, and I would pod people in low sec from extreme range, then ccp changed that I guess they finally considered it an exploit to out fire the gun range at gates and pos's. Now the stupid things fire at anything that can be seen.
no matter how many sebo's I put on a ship can only target 249.99kms which doesn't even allow me to do a strike and play gridfu if I tried.

EVERYTHING IS A GAME MACHANIC UNTIL CCP DECIDES OTHERWISE

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#10 - 2015-03-26 13:18:36 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So do you just rotate complaining topics, or did you seriously only find out about this just now?

I'm starting to think Serene has a taste for hoop earrings and plaid blouses.


And this haircut.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-03-26 13:22:30 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:

How is this not an exploit?



Let's hear you explain how it is one first.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Moshi
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-03-26 13:22:35 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Do you whine about everything? I mean, this is some pretty long standing stuff here, well known by the devs and players alike, and you are up in arms like you just heard about it.

So do you just rotate complaining topics, or did you seriously only find out about this just now?


You don't strike me as a happy soul.
Paranoid Loyd
#13 - 2015-03-26 13:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
4 6/10 nicely done

Your score has been upgraded as many are still taking your bait.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-03-26 13:25:14 UTC
Moshi wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Do you whine about everything? I mean, this is some pretty long standing stuff here, well known by the devs and players alike, and you are up in arms like you just heard about it.

So do you just rotate complaining topics, or did you seriously only find out about this just now?


You don't strike me as a happy soul.


He doesn't usually strike anyone at all but I'm sure he has his reasons.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Serene Repose
#15 - 2015-03-26 13:30:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Get a good list of the posters to this thread who "don't see a problem here". They are practitioners.
They may as well be saying, "The emperor does SO have clothes on! You just can't SEE them."

Anywhere else in the forum it's claimed you can't prove a negative. Right off the bat I'm told to. Uh huh.

I just came down with yesterday's rain. (Quite a few rapid responses for a "Nothing here. Move along.")

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-03-26 13:31:10 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Moshi wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Do you whine about everything? I mean, this is some pretty long standing stuff here, well known by the devs and players alike, and you are up in arms like you just heard about it.

So do you just rotate complaining topics, or did you seriously only find out about this just now?


You don't strike me as a happy soul.


He doesn't usually strike anyone at all but I'm sure he has his reasons.

Too busy shiptoasting to log in and strike Big smile

Though one could level the same accusation at myself also Blink

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-03-26 13:31:29 UTC

Serene Repose wrote:

How is this not an exploit?





From: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Grid_Manipulation

In CCP's own words:
Quote:
This whole process is quite complex but not an exploit of game mechanics.


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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2015-03-26 13:37:00 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Why would it be an exploit?

It's clever use of game mechanics.
No one is exploiting a weakness in design or code.


An exploit is by definition clever use of game mechanics until it is removed from the game for being an exploit... Skynet was clever use of game mechanics...

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-03-26 13:45:03 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Why would it be an exploit?

It's clever use of game mechanics.
No one is exploiting a weakness in design or code.


An exploit is by definition clever use of game mechanics until it is removed from the game for being an exploit... Skynet was clever use of game mechanics...


Well... no, skynet is not very clever at all. A trained ape can figure out how to assist fighters, without the training. Grid-fu on the other hand is somewhat trickier, but not an exploit, as posted by Sibyyl above.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#20 - 2015-03-26 13:49:55 UTC
Wow, that manual has a high degree of high school math textbook feel to it. Well, if you omit words like AIDS and cancer at least. It looks more professional than any report I ever compiled.
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