EVE General Discussion

Why don't you just flip their can?

Wow seems like a lot, but try that bump them, report them. Move to another part of the empire.

My mistake.

But still. Go post the names on the minerbumping forums or in the CODE. channel ingame or something.

So these people with the 20 account mining fleets....is that all they do ever? Are these accounts at least supplementing their income so they can do something more interesting and fun on their main or is ice mining all they do?

And if it is all they do I have to ask WHY? Why would someone want to do that and nothing else all day?

move to a shatllered system. ls system or join a null sec alliance.

if you believe they are breaking the rules, like using isboxer then report them.

adapt or die

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How would you even do that? Require social security numbers for every account? Don't say one account per IP because that's so ridiculously stupid I don't even want to have to waste my time pointing out why.


It's funny that Blizzard is telling people to HTFU over multiboxers while CCP is trying to cater to the whiners.

Multiboxing has always existed in nearly every online game in existence. The few that don't have multiboxers have draconian and often incredibly intrusive methods to prevent it.



As for ice the new spawn system is the only reason ice products are worth anything right now. Between fatigue and talk of stront related changes there's been a massive decrease in demand for ice products.

I see in some of your pictures that you could be easily ganking the supposed boxers with a single retriever. I say supposed because I know some people who run a tight mining setup and they get accused of being boxers all the time. In reality it's just a group of friends some of whom live together.


CCP has given you tools to deal with this situation and you choose to ignore all of them except the forum. That's just laziness on your part.





You should be pitying the multibox ice miners. They litterly spend all day every day grinding away to pay for their accounts. With a 15 account setup not only are you going to be unable to go AFK for long without impacting your income. Hell with 15 miners you'll have an impact on your income simply from the time required for you to cycle through all the miners to drop ice etc.

The skiff dudes running 15 accounts with max boosts means 13 actual miners an orca and a freighter. Lets say the miner is doing reasonably optimal mining of 20m per hour per active skiff. That's 260m an hour with 15 accounts with no downtime across +40 hours of gameplay. I could EASILY make that much an hour with 2 in null/wh or 3 in highsec. Now lets look at the cost of those accounts. 15 accounts with plex at about 810m each means he's spending 12.15 billion isk a month on accounts. That means our miner has to mine at least 47 hours a month at a fairly optimal non AFK rate to pay for his accounts. That doesn't even count ships or anything fun.

Now in all likelihood they aren't even averaging 20m an hour per skiff. Why? Well because they have to send that product to market somehow. That means time spent refining and turning the raw materials into something. Then they need to move that product to market and spend time fighting with market bots and station traders who use third party tools that basically automates their market pricing but CCP allows so whatever. Then there's the occasional loss to gankers and griefers. So in all likelihood he's mining +55 hours a month just to pay for his accounts. That's a freaking second job.

That's why you should pity these people. They are working a second job so they can continue to work a second job. Meanwhile I make more isk per hour with 1/5th the accounts and half the effort.



EDIT : Isboxer wasn't banned just some of it's features. Well that was the official statement of CCP. The unofficial reality is that multiboxing too efficiently was banned. So once you get too good at boxing you'll get banned basically.

Regardless you can always report them.

instead of crying and running like a child, you can DO THIS and collect tears

gank the same guy until he quits, even if he can coupe with the losses, he still need to fit the ships everytime he welp his fleet

and don't forget to post a vid doing it

I ice mine now and then in a high sec system. Last night I was the only one in a 0.5 system mining ice. Yes, the ONLY ONE. Sometimes we get a mining group in, but not often. And right next door is a 0.4 system with ice that never gets mined. There are times when no one is in that system for prolonged time periods, so it could easily be mined.

Sorry OP, not buying into your generalization that individual ice mining in high sec is dead.

What are you even talking about with that 35 billion isk comment? It takes 55 hours of ice mining a month just to get the accounts paid for. To make another 35 billion isk would take another 149 hours of mining. At that point he/she will of spent well over 200 hours of ice mining (51 hours a week you'd be better off with a second full time job and just buy plex). That's just not happening with ice. I know this because I've boxed ice mining before out of curiosity. I made far more isk per hour with my accounts via other activities.

what a load of total BS! waaa I tried 4+ systems blabla ban multy boxing cause other players are better than me........
I mined blue ice this evening with a three account fleet and there were only two other fleets in the belt for a total of around 8 to 12 ships including the orcas, the belt was up for 3 hrs at least and that is how it is most weeknights in that system the belt one system over was even less populated in fact all the belts around there run about the same ( NO im not telling you where) so quit your crying and do some actual scouting
yes there are large fleets and it sucks to have them suck up all the ice but it is no where near the problem it was prior to the broadcasting ban and even then it was not as bad as what your claiming.