EVE General Discussion

If I knew there was a fleet out there to kill me? I wouldn't you all say, it common sense. So then, considering this is a advanced universe. Shouldn't there be a simple button in dock to click, giving you access to a camera view outside. Could be as simple as a static cam location that you could move around. Or as complicated as CCP wants it to be to include your personal Overview settings.

If this has been addressed in the past, then this is here to remind you to look into it. Will it limit fights.... maybe, but if I know there be hostile outside then I will come out fighting vs coming out to be next boring wreck.

Edit:
Risk vs Reward is the argument, with the undock mechanics in place of 30sec immunity.

So what does the dock camper Risk? They sit there watch you undock, maybe in the ship they will gank maybe in a shuttle cause 'you just looking'. Watch you redock, Oh so now they know your ship, know that you are looking at undocking and every one is on standby. The minutes of sitting gonna pay off.... what little risk.

The undocker, wondering, why he didn't get books, doesn't have a alt or ally to do a cloaky look at the dock exit. Should he buy a ship, refit this one. Will he have enough to take on the one ship out there, or have the numbers outside increased.

From this, no risk on the dock camper, all on the undocker.

Now, what if the undocker could look outside, say throu a window. See the ship(s) out there, setup a ship for the fight or flight. And then come out ready for the fight. The undocker still has a risk, but the risk level for the camper has been put on even ground.

Or you guys gonna complain some more.

No need. You can undock and be invulnerable, see whats going on, and re-dock if you don't like how it looks out there. The tiny bit of effort required is for you to know if you are in a 'kick-out station' (a station with a very shallow docking perimeter based on it's shape and how the game calculates docking range) or not.

Something something risk something something reward.

In all honesty station games are essentially a window you have to fall out of for anyone to hurt you.

Instant undock bookmarks make most undock camps useless.

Ctrl-space as soon as you undock and don't hit anything else. youll retain your undock invulnerability, and as soon as the undock timer is over you can redock with no issues.

To receive bacon of course!

I believe 'Legacy code' is the actual answer.
When you undock CCP has to 'create' your ship entity on the grid. While in a station you don't actually exist as a space entity and there is no code for a 'non entity' to look at a grid.

He does have a point for kickout stations though. (although counterpoint "don't you kickout stations you dumb ****" applies as well) Being able to load the station grid for a look around outside while remaining docked does seem like a perfectly logical thing to add to the game.

There is no risk/reward to this. If you were chased into a station, you can look at local to see if "they're still there."
It's more of a, "Who's stupid enough to leave station knowing 'they're still there'?"
What reward is there in shooting somebody that stupid besides padding your kill stats?
I'm in the "falls down in the techy feel" camp with this. It just doesn't make sense in a high tech reality that a station would be blinded to its surroundings. That the info would not be available to the "customers" using the station? Preposterous.

Didn't read the post completely.

But it did make me think that it would be awesome to have the possibility not to load station environment at all, and just have a live view of the outside of the station when docked, with all the normal station UI present as an overlay.

Warning though, some confusion and misunderstanding may occur when you're tired, drunk or stoned and you won't know whether you're actually docked or not.

Undock, warp to insta, move on.

I know. EVE is hard work.