Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are aware that more than half the people who play this game still run on DX9... right?

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At fanfest they answered to this question.
As it stands now, there is no reason to upgrade to DX12. DX12 gives a lot of opportunities when you use a lot of different assets, but this is not the case in EvE. It would help to make look astroid-belts better, but thats it, and for that it is to much effort. You can´t just upgrade your grafik engine with a few clicks.
And as ShahFluffers said, a lot of people are still using DX9.

BTW, "impending release of Dust 514" did I miss something?

eh, pretty is still important, especially in a game that requires alot of travel, if things arent pretty enough that I go "oooh, wonder what it looks like over there", then im liable to alt tab while traveling, and that im told never ends well.

honestly, scenery was the only redeeming feature of Elite Dangerous, made you want to fly around, because some of the things you could see were downright wild. not saying EVE needs that kind of diversity, but hurry up with the HD texture packs CCP

Years down the road maybe. Assuming like most many plans are based strategically. This usually years out.

ANy PC use of 12 will be way off, besides CCP even. Xbox one will be your first use of it...and that will be months out as if a game is like 75% done they won't be recoding it. A framework can offer lots of enhancements.....after you learn to use them then optimize what your learned to use

xbox one game on the verge of controlled beta testing and release....has a lower dx base and is optimized. You don't want to be changing this recipe with a markedly different framework. Frameworks and even languages upgrade from say 6.9 to 7.0 are not plug and play. Major version number changes are reserved for massive changes. Changes that can deprecate your old tricks...and need a fair amount of time to find new ones.

Much to the chagrin of the 3.x zealots for example I can tell a new and green coder learn in python 2.x (around .6. or .7) and not be steering them in the wrong direction. This will get them paid for python gigs. Several years later many have not implemented code conversion to python 3.x. to include most (if not all, have not installed every flavor to test this so can't be sure) unix/linus/bsd OS makers. I run mac os, cent os and ubuntu....still kicking the 2.x. Ever seen how even basic 2.x python can diaf in version 3, you'd see why lol.

Great discussion guys, with some decent and very valid arguments/points.

Yes in terms of technology, it will be bleeding edge and will only affect the top 10% or so. But you're missing the point in that going DX12 opens the portal for Xbox One and a much greater/larger market.

One thing I wanted to expand on, the massive space battles (PVP) would the decreased CPU requirements help alleviate server side processing? Or would there still be a requirement to migrate more servers for these battles?

And just a note, I originally bought EVE Online after seeing it at the London game expo many years ago and thinking wow that game looks absolutely amazing. I immediately went home, bought a new computer (read built a new computer) and downloaded the installer. Been hooked as a casual gamer ever since.

Bah, cop out. I've been in those big nullsec blobs. 5 FPS, CPU and GPU are both idle. While DX11 has much more support for threading than prior versions, it's still not as good as DX12.

Not a high priority, but they should be looking into updating their engine to handle threads better. It's a many year project, best start early.

psst...when software makers put out new tools they will always say 300% or some number boost. They then run very targeted code to prove it.

When you see this stuff ask the vendor for source code and what it was run on. And test yourself.

That takes extensive recoding to get chief. Damn near rebuilds.

Here is what happens when new tools come out.

First...you have to find out what they killed/deprecated.
Then you have to find out what replaced it.
Then you have to find what that replacement does when playing with the rest of your code if left in place.


This is not type search string, grep with replace and voila you have chance all vars named ima_Var to var_Ima. This is why many have stayed at python 2.x for a while now as a related tangent. Python 3.x does amazing things. Sadly among those amazing things is it breaks even basic 2.x code in seconds flat.

This 300% is based on 3DMark and it was tested by a lot of serious High-tech magazines like Tom's Hardware, etc ...

DX12 is based on mantle (AMD API) ... mantle works better than DX11. So why not DX 12 ?


PS: I know synthetic tests (like 3DMark) doesn t give the same results than games tests but they are not quite different.

Thumbs up OP! And maybe they can update the UI as well then. One can hope.