Ships & Modules

Sounds good, keeps intys as fastest tackle and makes AFs the tanky but still fast enough to be usable tackle.

Wow, if this goes through the Retribution will be completely obsolete.

The vengeance does comparable dps - without any tracking issues and more tackle and tank.


It's sad that CCP doesn't understand that the retri would do just fine with a 5th turret and a 6th low... The additional turret certainly did not make the zealot overpowered.

With the exception of the stiletto. Most fleet interceptors are terrible. Mainly because a Stiletto can fit 1 medium shield extender.

Anyway, from what I've read. The Bonuses and changes to the Enyo, Hawk and Retribution are not substantial. Atleast compared to the other assault frigates.

Jaguar: The Jaguar would have no weaknesses. You could use a dual medium shield extender set-up, with a damage control and possible 2 damage modules. You will not have to down grade to 125mm auto-cannons to track afterbunering frigates. The only thing it would lack is projection damage. However, you could use one of the low slots for a tracking enhancer. Just with a damage control and 2 medium shield extender. The Jaguar can have around 12,000 effective hit-points or you could use a invulnerable field. After you factor in shield rigs. Even more hit-points

Vengeance: I'm already able to put together a perma-running neutralize set-up for the Vengeance. This means unless another frigate has a capacitor booster. I can shut off all their modules until my ship is destroyed. That is a built in GTFO ability. Works really well, but I was using a all turret set-up. Apart from that, which will be viable with rocket launchers if CCP goes ahead with these changes. The Vengeance can permanently run one repair and have a very large effective hit-points. While maintaining 130 - 140 damage per second. More than enough damage already. Only the most damaging assault frigates can engage this ship effectively @ the moment and survive. Increasing the Vengeance rate of fire is a big mistake. However, CCP went and made some of the other overpowered too.

Ishkur: Well, giving this ship one low slot is just increasing it's tank. Does not take much to make this overpowered. Those who have some insight on this frigate and figure out the rest Here.

Wolf: Now, not only does it already have the best gank-tank ratio of all the assault ships. CCP is suggesting increasing tank further, while maintaining that nice 300 damage per second. Not to mention it now has bonuses to tracking. No weaknesses other than only having 2 mid slots. However most frigates will not survive a engagement with this ship if they stayed under scrambler range.

Harpies: This will be better than the Eyno and will be more in-line with the Vengeance. Has range bonus which helps with damage projection and will allow it to out-damage most every ship under warp scrambler range. Except The Ishkur, Enyo, Wolf, Retribution. CCP seems to want to turn it into a little Drake with Blasters (shield resist bonus). Thing will be able to use a neutraliser. Set-up correctly, it will be able to active tank and track with blasters with the new changes to hybrids. Or just beast buffer tank like a dual mse Jaguar.

I would like to add the retribution, because it would be closer in-line with a Coercer in terms of damage if CCP went forward with these changes. Not to mention a bonus to Tracking and a mid slot. I will be using these alot to deal with the other OP ones.

Now if these ships get a sig bonus. What makes interceptors unique and worth using? A little more warp disruption range? What does it matter when you'll be fly swatted anyway. Doesn't a frigate with more tank become the better option? Also their are less than a handful of cruisers faster than 2,000m/sec and every frigate is significantly faster than that.

Even some of the best interceptor pilots in-game can see what these changes would mean. All I'm saying is at-least let interceptor keep their useful signature bonus. It's all they have. Assault ships do not need a role bonus. Focus on damage and projected damage for these ships. With the exception of the Vengeance and Hawk (these ships should focus on defence).

Also my new Jagabond set-up would look a bit better if these changes went threw.

[Jaguar, Cougar]
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[empty high slot]

Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I


-proxyyyy

I know everyone's all derp derp over the Ishkur's +1 low, but I'm actually pretty jazzed by it.

-Liang

and agility advantage. and warp disruption bonuses. and sig radius advantage. as usual, i have no idea what the hell mockingbird is talking about.

I agree, the Retribution is still going to suck with these proposed changes. The tracking bonus it receives is worth 1/4 of a webifier and it lacks fitting to properly use all its low slots. On medium pulse setups there is no fitting left for a nos or 200mm plate. In fact it needs AWU V just for a mwd, small rep and 4x medium pulses setup.

Hey CCP: just make the Retribution a mini-Zealot: 5% dmg 5% ROF 10% optimal 10% cap usage.

or a slightly less extreme: 10% dmg, -1 high +1 mid plus the other bonuses.

Retribution bad? It will be awesome at popping bombers and other low tanked frigs at a range, just like the crusader.

looks pretty good to me...

Like that other dude was saying I hope we can get some tweaks with hacs

I like the mwd bonus but for ceptors:
ok, they will be used as pure tackler (as someone can say their role) but that s a very limited niche. Outside of that role they will be totally obsolete.