EVE General Discussion

I wonder when, if ever, CCP will stop relying on volunteerism for their NPE.

well.. one of the big advertisements use by CCP is "player-driven game"..

however, whether the players are a reliable bunch in term of improving NPE is a another thing

That comment wasn't towards you specifically so you shouldn't take it personally. Rather it was a line of thought intended to point out the folly of the poster who 1) tried to establish the idea of marketed play as universally intended play and 2) show that even removing NPC corps, the most extreme option in eliminating any perceived influence, still doesn't create the desired benefit.

That wasn't to suggest any course of action was you goal or idea.

To the idea that wardecs are half of consequence as a whole seems lacking in my view in part due to their complete inability to function against a currently occurring offensive act. the 24 hour timer does nothing for immediate retaliation. The only other targets it leaves are those of opportunity.

The argument can be made that they provide a certain level of policing, but anyone who would draw decs of that nature will likely ensure their mouthpiece and game play are sufficiently separate to not effect one another.

My point is not that EVE is 100% PVP. It is a misinterpretation of what I'm saying. I am saying that nowhere in EVE is PVP a choice. This makes PVP a universally present element in the game.

Why are we talking about it, especially in the context of NPC corps? Because there is a significant contingent of folks, all of whom are concentrated in hisec, who don't seem to understand that point. All aggression in the game, that does not utilize exploits, is 100% within the EULA and you labeling something as "griefing" seems to be deliberate double talk.

You may find PVP to be boring, and that is completely your right. But PVP will come and wreck your ship and send you back to your station without your consent. Even though you may not care about PVP at all, it will touch your game and it will affect you. In that sense, EVE gives the "right of way" to PVP. Some people short circuit that by saying EVE is a PVP game.

Don't believe me? Watch the "This is EVE" trailer and tell me what constitutes 90% of the content in that video.

All I can give is anecdotal experience, but against the claim of a universal standard undocking in a mission hub and seeing the majority of Pirate BS's and marauders with player corp tags and being one of the few people in an NPC corp in the incursion groups I ran with for a while should be enough to debunk the use of the word universal.

Do some do that? Yes, but most don't. What you mean by what sort of corp I'm not sure, if it's not an NPC corp it's a player corp, which should go without saying.

Pretty sure the people who are dec dodging are being considered in that category as well, since that's a widely used fringe benefit of NPC corps.

I would argue that they are not separate subjects. They're very closely tied in with one another, as the defining features of wardecs and NPC corps relate to each other, respectively.

Discussion of one entails discussion of the other.

I'm not moving anything. I'm introducing an element for consideration that you had overlooked.

The point is that NPC corps, whatever else some people may use them for, currently facilitate extreme risk aversion, solo and antisocial playstyles, and hamper interaction with the playerbase at large.

And I believe that needs looked at. CCP believes it too, or they wouldn't be making so many pushes to get more people (new players especially), into player corps.

But we can't actually have the discussion because people are so intent on derailing, deflecting and derogating that we can't even move forward with the basic premise.

I get it, people want to defend their golden goose. Too bad, it's going to happen, just like ISBoxer did, because the way it works right now is bad for the game. People in this thread can get in on the discussion now or after the dev blog drops, their choice.

There is a huge difference between "eve history" and "grief decs".
The key point of grief decs is that if grief deccer sees you have brought enough SP, he will not fight, completely destroying the point of banding up, laughing at a crapload of people who wasted their time they might have used to, I dunno, actually play the game, to see them dock up in all those useless PvP ships they are never going to make to work anyway which will be useless after this occasion and thus are as good as lost.
Most of the time a target for grief dec would be carefully selected to not have any ability to band up with anything anyway.


Aw man, aw man, aw man, you just sounded like those secret agents in my old man's conspiracy fiction books. You know, like "we can neither confirm nor deny... " style.
In one statement you both DENIED the statement of importance of SP saying you'd smash it with a tool, and then just CONFIRMED the same statement by saying people would run and dock, apparently nobody runs and docks without a reason, and if SP wall is not a reason like you stated in denial, they would have no reason to do that, unless it's true, in which case it's a confirmation. Since you expressed both opinions, and I expressed one, this makes the SP issue win 1.5 to 0.5 in favor or relevant between us.
That aside, I must cover misunderstanding you have. First, average SP is just like any other completely generic average, useless. It's TOTAL SP that counts. Of course, SP is a non-linear force multiplier - an order of magnitude advantage in SP is two orders of magnitude advantage in your ship capabilities - so even two groups with comparable total SP may be not comparable in amount of capabilities, but you get the point.


You do realize he won't have joined CODE after being booted out of ROC if he weren't scaredof going low/null/wh?

Wrong.

100% of space is mine to go pew pew in, because EVE Online is a PvP game.



Entirely false. I left of my own accord, with good relations with my former alliance.

Ask them if you don't believe me. Regardless, cease your lies.