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Anyone with a good WH Drake fit (pve)?

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Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-03-18 19:12:27 UTC
So, taking the advice to start with a Drake instead of Stratios for my first wormholes. Anyone got any good fits for a drake? Mainly going to start with c1-c2. I'm going pure solo.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-03-18 19:28:29 UTC
standard passive drake with shield power relay/bcs ratio in lows to taste, might want to go 3/1 at first and when you're better skilled/experienced you can eventually drop to 1/3.

Make sure your light drone skills are up to par and T2 launchers are very useful for precision missiles to hit frigates with (there will be a lot of them in c2).

So following on from last point you will almost always be using heavy missiles as some rats like to orbit at 40km+.

[Drake, passive]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5

something like that
Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-03-18 19:35:55 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
standard passive drake with shield power relay/bcs ratio in lows to taste, might want to go 3/1 at first and when you're better skilled/experienced you can eventually drop to 1/3.

Make sure your light drone skills are up to par and T2 launchers are very useful for precision missiles to hit frigates with (there will be a lot of them in c2).

So following on from last point you will almost always be using heavy missiles as some rats like to orbit at 40km+.

[Drake, passive]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5

something like that



Thank you :) How would I alter it to be more suitable for pvp? I'd like to be able to atleast defend myself somewhat before dying :) And what about cloak/probe launcher?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-03-18 20:07:21 UTC
honestly if anything engages you while you're in a drake is going to kill you, best bet is to not get caught in the first place.

Cloak severely reduces your targeting speed which is detrimental while you're running sites and since you can't cloak while targeted anyway, the usefulness is rather limited. Nothing stopping you from packing one in your hold along with a mobile depot as well.

Speaking of mobile depots though, that could be one way to defend yourself from would-be gankers. You could refit if you get engaged to propulsion mod, point and possibly get a surprise kill if the sleepers switch aggression.

probe launcher is good as well, should be able to fit a regular one without any sacrifices.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2015-03-18 22:28:50 UTC
Janey T'gahl wrote:
So, taking the advice to start with a Drake instead of Stratios for my first wormholes. Anyone got any good fits for a drake? Mainly going to start with c1-c2. I'm going pure solo.

The best Drake fit is a Tengu.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

GordonO
BURN EDEN
#6 - 2015-03-19 00:44:32 UTC
That drake is way over tanked for c1 and c2 wh's. I do not have a fit tool in front of me but suspect it has a em hole.. but it is over tanked...

I would drop the thermal rig for another purger, drop an lse and put 10mn ab, drop the 2 x invulns( they not real passive mods anyway) and put another em and thermal amplifier.
You will need to fit a salvager to be able to make any isk and a probe.

Some sites in a C2 have the rats spawn at over 80km..

If you doing this solo, a drone boat is your best bet, gila is a beast, vexors and navy vexors also work, and of course with good skills you can go to an ishtar..
drone boat allows you some flexibility for high slots as your damage will be done by the drones. so you can fit a salvager, probe, tarctor beam and a neut just in case you need to defend yourself, fit a disruptor in the mids. If you have the isk, stratios is the way to go.

... What next ??

Aeryn Atropos
ISSD Holdings
#7 - 2015-03-19 06:19:44 UTC
yeah drone boat cruiser is your best bet for all around exploring you should look into arbitrator since I think you mentioned you have amarr cruiser skills.


Arbitrator explorer

Prot. cloak
probe launcher
remote armor rep
drone link augmenter

10mn AB
data analyzer
relic analyzer
cap recharger or medium battery

1600 steel II
ENAM x2
DDA
med armor rep II

5 hammerhead
5 Valkyrie
5 hobgoblin
5 salvage

shouldn't have a problem on c1 sites, couldn't tell you about c2 sites never really did them. this should make a decent day tripper for low class WH's and lowsecs. BC's and the Stratios should definitely take care of C2's fit like this. But once you go into C3 sites you need to be in a dedicated combat ship which will require someone else or an alt to help with loot/salvage, or severely limit your range/cargo capacity.

If you insist on going solo for C3's I think there is a T2 hauler with a fleet hangar. Have an alt park it in a safe with a cloak and store a salvage dessy and scanning frigate in there and then just use your combat ship of choice to clear the sites.

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2015-03-19 07:11:21 UTC
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HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-03-19 08:28:01 UTC
I prefer HAM drake with MWD/Web. Burns much faster through anoms in C2 as you kill the heavy tank battleships a lot faster and even the Cruiser.
Much more dps (~700) on the Battleships in C2, which take too long with HMs. Web + Drones are for frigates.

Above Drake is overtanked. Exchange 2x SPR for an additional BCU and a Damage Control. More Buffer for worst case scenario and enough tank for each C2 anomalie. If you wanna do sleeper hacking site switch some modules back SPRs if you feel you need it.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#10 - 2015-03-19 13:03:22 UTC
Cerberus with HAMS, HML or Lights/rapid lights + prop mod.
can fit a nanofiber in a lowslot to be faster.
dps is comparable to drake-tengu or inbetween.
Is much thinner tanked than drake and is usually active tanked with small-medium booster.
Speed is key and it can burn away from targets easy and warps faster than drake.
But Drake is more forgiving to unexperienced players.
Thing with drake is to use the drones when solo in sleeper site is to loose them unless you have ewar with you.
Only drones I would bring when in drake is ec-300's.
Grea to pack also is combat boosters to boost your missile application or reduce sig radius of ship etc.
Some people swear by their mobile depots and mobile tractor units too.
Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-03-19 13:22:14 UTC
I own a both a Gila and a Stratios, but I was advised to get something cheaper until I learn wormholes.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-03-19 14:21:52 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
Then take the Gila! I've postet a fit in the wormhole section forum in the sticky fitting thread.

If you fly in Drake everybody will catch you in most attempts. In Gila that job is a little more difficult. Think about whether you want to change the HiSlots according to your preferences (Defense modules) if you feel to need them. Fit a DC2 in one low slot if you think the EHP is worth it to survive longer (waiting for a friend to rescue you?).
With Gila you can pay much more attention to DS!

Gila will pay for the cost difference to a Drake (if you have nearly max skills) after maybe 2h of ratting. I would even assume it's faster than the Cerberus, which would take much more skills to fly. At least it's faster than my HAM-Tengu., which should be a little better than the Cerberus.

As soon as you loose the Gila you already have, you can buy yourself a Drake or if you have the money and are confident it's worth it buy a new Gila :)

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-03-19 14:46:04 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
Then take the Gila! I've postet a fit in the wormhole section forum in the sticky fitting thread.

If you fly in Drake everybody will catch you in most attempts. In Gila that job is a little more difficult. Think about whether you want to change the HiSlots according to your preferences (Defense modules) if you feel to need them. Fit a DC2 in one low slot if you think the EHP is worth it to survive longer (waiting for a friend to rescue you?).
With Gila you can pay much more attention to DS!

Gila will pay for the cost difference to a Drake (if you have nearly max skills) after maybe 2h of ratting. I would even assume it's faster than the Cerberus, which would take much more skills to fly. At least it's faster than my HAM-Tengu., which should be a little better than the Cerberus.

As soon as you loose the Gila you already have, you can buy yourself a Drake or if you have the money and are confident it's worth it buy a new Gila :)



Nice, going to check out your fit :) I'm still a bit worried that I will miss a covert ops cloaking device though.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-03-19 14:55:07 UTC
Oh yeah. You should be worried. You will miss it! No doubt! P
But compared to Drake for example you can stay aligned with the Gila most of the time if you have some relevant safespots throughout the system. I fly Gila since October last year. I lost one! At a wormhole against a well organised gatecamp. With scout or friends this would not have happend.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-03-19 17:36:18 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
Oh yeah. You should be worried. You will miss it! No doubt! P
But compared to Drake for example you can stay aligned with the Gila most of the time if you have some relevant safespots throughout the system. I fly Gila since October last year. I lost one! At a wormhole against a well organised gatecamp. With scout or friends this would not have happend.


hehe :) Just took a look at your fit, seems nice! But what should I change to get it more survivable in pvp? Drop a launcher for another nosferatu?
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#16 - 2015-03-19 17:55:37 UTC
Janey T'gahl wrote:
HoruSeth wrote:
Oh yeah. You should be worried. You will miss it! No doubt! P
But compared to Drake for example you can stay aligned with the Gila most of the time if you have some relevant safespots throughout the system. I fly Gila since October last year. I lost one! At a wormhole against a well organised gatecamp. With scout or friends this would not have happend.


hehe :) Just took a look at your fit, seems nice! But what should I change to get it more survivable in pvp? Drop a launcher for another nosferatu?


While there's always a chance that you may be able to pull it off generally speaking you either fit for pve or pvp. So unless you radically change your pve fit you're not going to do well in pvp which means you'll have trouble in your PVE. You can of course be able to fend off the attack but I wouldn't alter a fit for that too much.

Your safety comes from being alert & aligned to avoid trouble, not from being able to deal with trouble would you end up being caught.
Orlacc
#17 - 2015-03-19 18:12:08 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
honestly if anything engages you while you're in a drake is going to kill you, best bet is to not get caught in the first place.

Cloak severely reduces your targeting speed which is detrimental while you're running sites and since you can't cloak while targeted anyway, the usefulness is rather limited. Nothing stopping you from packing one in your hold along with a mobile depot as well.

Speaking of mobile depots though, that could be one way to defend yourself from would-be gankers. You could refit if you get engaged to propulsion mod, point and possibly get a surprise kill if the sleepers switch aggression.

probe launcher is good as well, should be able to fit a regular one without any sacrifices.



This.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#18 - 2015-03-19 18:50:50 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
honestly if anything engages you while you're in a drake is going to kill you, best bet is to not get caught in the first place.

Cloak severely reduces your targeting speed which is detrimental while you're running sites and since you can't cloak while targeted anyway, the usefulness is rather limited. Nothing stopping you from packing one in your hold along with a mobile depot as well.

Speaking of mobile depots though, that could be one way to defend yourself from would-be gankers. You could refit if you get engaged to propulsion mod, point and possibly get a surprise kill if the sleepers switch aggression.

probe launcher is good as well, should be able to fit a regular one without any sacrifices.



This.


A depot needs about 13k damage to get reinforced and there's a 60 seconds activation timer, this means that any attacker who is paying attention and is capable of doing 250+ dps will render this tactic useless.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-03-19 19:48:44 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
honestly if anything engages you while you're in a drake is going to kill you, best bet is to not get caught in the first place.

Cloak severely reduces your targeting speed which is detrimental while you're running sites and since you can't cloak while targeted anyway, the usefulness is rather limited. Nothing stopping you from packing one in your hold along with a mobile depot as well.

Speaking of mobile depots though, that could be one way to defend yourself from would-be gankers. You could refit if you get engaged to propulsion mod, point and possibly get a surprise kill if the sleepers switch aggression.

probe launcher is good as well, should be able to fit a regular one without any sacrifices.



This.


A depot needs about 13k damage to get reinforced and there's a 60 seconds activation timer, this means that any attacker who is paying attention and is capable of doing 250+ dps will render this tactic useless.



more time is more time, lot can happen while he's not shooting you. Plus not everyone is going to shoot the depot.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#20 - 2015-03-19 19:51:40 UTC
Sure, but relying on it as your main "defence" against attackers is probably not going to end well.
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