Player Features and Ideas Discussion

get a friend to bump the bumper


there you have it counter play

As has been mentioned, webs are your friend. A Daredevil with a 90% web will drop a freighter into warp in theoretically 2 seconds (probably 3 in practice) if it's done right - you can't possibly get bumped in that time.

And yes, it is reasonable to expect a capital ship to be extremely vulnerable without at least one support ship assisting it.

A DD is useless as a webber, because it does not have the range. Rapier or the Hyena, or at max the Cruor, are the only feasible ships to make webbing not a worse chore as it already is.

I think part of the problem is that the "intended" mechanic of using a web to warp-assist freighters is not spelled out, or even hinted at, in-game.

- Bringing an escort of big guns doesn't work. CONCORD protects the bumper too. And you're not going to do enough damage to a gank fleet to be of much help.
- Scouts don't help and aren't needed; we already know where the bad guys are: They’re at the choke points.
- Bumping-the-bumper is of limited value. If gankers can bring dozens of ships then they can spare a 5-6 more for hobo tackling. You can't counter-bump that.

So clearly the optimal tactic is to have friend use the web trick. All (or most) of us have been playing the game for years. We all understand how warping works and how the webbing mechanic can be applied to drastically cut the time require to get into warp. But these esoteric techniques are not obvious to new players. If the game designers are not willing to change the mechanics in any way then they should better and more explicitly communicate the proper way to move 2.5B ISK worth of risk around using the existing mechanics.

One of the first posts I made on here was to add short tutorials to skillbooks so that they would benefit the meat-bag, as well as the toon. This would be a good way to introduce new players to these sorts of unconventional tactics. If not that, then there should be a note added to the item descriptions of webbing modules. After all, this is the main way that new players first learn what exists and gain a bit of insight into how the game is played-- by reading through the descriptions of items in the market window.

Otherwise, we will need to talk about dedicated-purpose warp remote-assist modules.

Most bump ships aren't fit for PvP, they're fit for bumping, which makes them vulnerable to guns of various sizes. Don't be a chicken - take your lumps from Concord like a man / woman / goat and deal with the threat. If it's got to the point where this is the smart play, then you're either the 0.01% that get truly unlucky or you dun goofed.

I didnt say remove concord, simply that I do not support in any way shape or form is depriving people of control of their ship with no flagging whatsoever. It's utterly ass backwards.

People should need to man up and flag up for that. Of course scramming and hard tackling is :hard:

Hard? it is actually impossible to tackle an unflagged freighter in highsec due to the current CONCORD mechanics.

If you removed bumping, how would gankers tackle a freighter at all?

right, ive seen people tackle a ship at the same time as ganking it. why? because it breaks the warp the ship was building up to and then the target has to attempt to warp again which the other gankers have now scrammed and are shotting it to bits as concord shows up.

Fair enough. To be precise then it is impossible to tackle them with warp scrambler/disruptor for more than the 20 seconds or so until CONCORD is on grid.

Then it is impossible to keep a freighter from warping without bumping.

But now we are getting pedantic. I was merely agreeing with your point that hard tackling is hard in highsec.

Because people don't follow those guides, and feel that CCP should protect them from their own failures.