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EVE seems generally healthy - but online user count keeps falling?
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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-03-17 14:51:35 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
[quote=Jenn aSide]I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.


I told my boss I play Eve and showed him some of the better stories of a terrible horrible no good very bad things that people have done in the game's history. He gave me a raise and I'm pretty sure he subscribed.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#22 - 2015-03-17 14:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Vyl Vit wrote:


There's not a lot you can do about this if you insist upon making EVE the first-name in perverse on-line behavior. It will definitely cut down on the traffic. I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.


But more seriously, WTF? You always post stuff like this.

If you don't like EVE online or the community it spawns, WHY are you HERE? More to the point, you do understand the EVERY time you pay your sub you are basically SUPPORTING what EVE is right?

What you are doing is literally like being a member of PETA who sends donations to slaughter houses so that they can continue to operate,
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2015-03-17 14:59:20 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc).


And it's the core customers CCP has been neglecting for years, in favour of the WOW crowd.


If CCP listened to soley the core customers and did everything they wanted, this game would have been dead 3 years ago.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#24 - 2015-03-17 15:04:55 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc).


And it's the core customers CCP has been neglecting for years, in favour of the WOW crowd.


If CCP listened to soley the core customers and did everything they wanted, this game would have been dead 3 years ago.



EVE spends 10 years 'catering to core customers' and CCP touts growth for 10 years. EVE shifts gears and tries to "broaden it's appeal" and be "easy to learn, hard to master" and "improve the new player experience" by adding all manner of hand holding mechanics like safeties and friendly fire toggle switches and pop ups warning you to be sure to wipe your....exhaust ports..... before undocking.......

...And growth stops cold in it's tracks.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2015-03-17 16:40:25 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc).


And it's the core customers CCP has been neglecting for years, in favour of the WOW crowd.


If CCP listened to soley the core customers and did everything they wanted, this game would have been dead 3 years ago.



EVE spends 10 years 'catering to core customers' and CCP touts growth for 10 years. EVE shifts gears and tries to "broaden it's appeal" and be "easy to learn, hard to master" and "improve the new player experience" by adding all manner of hand holding mechanics like safeties and friendly fire toggle switches and pop ups warning you to be sure to wipe your....exhaust ports..... before undocking.......

...And growth stops cold in it's tracks.

we all play EVE due to some level of superiority complex, take that away from us and new napoleans stop subbing
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2015-03-17 17:28:28 UTC
Make it easier, turn the UI more clean, maybe with a console game appearance and controls, let the players start to do their own addons...

That is, for sure, a recipe for something. I don't know what, exactly and I will not be here to taste the product of it. I'm waiting for the "market expansion" where you will receive a warning telling you "Are you sure you want to put a regional buy order higher than the sell orders of the trading hub 2 jumps away on the other region?".

Only CCP can kill EVE, the question is: are they trying that hard? Question

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Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-03-17 17:47:07 UTC
Is this another EVE is dying thread?

I wouldn't worry about the sub numbers much as the upcoming Sov changes may very well bring in plenty of new players as well as older ones. Even if it doesn't I suppose most here don't want the entirety of the WoW population breaking down EVE's doors asking for in game selfie camera's and twitter functionality.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#28 - 2015-03-17 18:48:50 UTC
A lot of people PLEX alt accounts - so the price of PLEX might also be a factor.

But the multiple skill que thing is also pretty big. I can see a lot of players who have alts that they never use in concurrence deciding to consolidate the characters on less accounts.


It's genius really. No more altaholism (which looks like a scam to new players when the 20 alt bittervet sits there and brags about how they have an alt for every little role) and less bandwidth usage and getting the same buck for delivering less bang. Somebody at CCP is really thinking.

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-03-17 18:50:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
To me EVE is like a Strip Club where...I go and...just stuff a dollar into someone['s]
...undergarments to strike up a conversation.
Why am I not surprised?


You're surprised that Adults do things? lol, aren't you the one who just posted in another thread about how puritanical and bible thumping Florida is?

I call Hypocrite.
Actually, no I didn't. I call the "L" word here.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Vyl Vit
#30 - 2015-03-17 18:53:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:


There's not a lot you can do about this if you insist upon making EVE the first-name in perverse on-line behavior. It will definitely cut down on the traffic. I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.


But more seriously, WTF? You always post stuff like this.

If you don't like EVE online or the community it spawns, WHY are you HERE? More to the point, you do understand the EVERY time you pay your sub you are basically SUPPORTING what EVE is right?

What you are doing is literally like being a member of PETA who sends donations to slaughter houses so that they can continue to operate,
You? Serious? Please. Oh, you're to be taken seriously regardless of what you say? Oh. I see.

I want to say you have a knack for pointing out the obvious, but that'd be giving you too much credit for orientation.

However, I have to say you've been entertaining the short while you've been posting in GD.
You take inanity to a whole new level.

Grats on that. Really.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2015-03-17 18:59:16 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:


There's not a lot you can do about this if you insist upon making EVE the first-name in perverse on-line behavior. It will definitely cut down on the traffic. I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.


But more seriously, WTF? You always post stuff like this.

If you don't like EVE online or the community it spawns, WHY are you HERE? More to the point, you do understand the EVERY time you pay your sub you are basically SUPPORTING what EVE is right?

What you are doing is literally like being a member of PETA who sends donations to slaughter houses so that they can continue to operate,
You? Serious? Please. Oh, you're to be taken seriously regardless of what you say? Oh. I see.

I want to say you have a knack for pointing out the obvious, but that'd be giving you too much credit for orientation.

However, I have to say you've been entertaining the short while you've been posting in GD.
You take inanity to a whole new level.

Grats on that. Really.


This post says volumes about you. Not a word in reply to my question, you made it all about me. As is typical, not a single neuron was spent on examining your own thoughts or actions.

And short time posting in GD? You sir, must be new here.
2Sonas1Cup
#32 - 2015-03-17 20:19:09 UTC
No isboxer no fun, no alts, no subscriptions, no money for CCP.
Useless capitals, useless cyno alts, no subscriptions, no money for CCP.

1+1=2

???

less people online at the same time
Jallukola
#33 - 2015-03-17 20:24:14 UTC
Banning automated broadcasting alone doesen't explain the drop from nearly 60K down to barely 20K in merely 2 years. Or then it does, but I fail to see how changes to boxing policy alone drag the activity count that much.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-03-17 21:02:26 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
A lot of people PLEX alt accounts - so the price of PLEX might also be a factor.

But the multiple skill que thing is also pretty big. I can see a lot of players who have alts that they never use in concurrence deciding to consolidate the characters on less accounts.


It's genius really. No more altaholism (which looks like a scam to new players when the 20 alt bittervet sits there and brags about how they have an alt for every little role) and less bandwidth usage and getting the same buck for delivering less bang. Somebody at CCP is really thinking.

More actually. Multi-queue is more expensive per queue than getting additional accounts.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-03-17 23:50:24 UTC
Well what are the options in EvE?

1. Stay in high and do the most boring missions imaginable with a vanilla fit so you don't get suicided.

2. Go to low and get ganked, gank.

3. Go to null and join a huge coalition that's doing nothing but gank or run anoms or sit at gates twiddling fingers.

4. Go to a wormhole and be bored and occasionally gank or be ganked.


Ganking is low brow, it attracts the worst players to the game. Low numbers are probably a symptom of a sick game. EvE needs a total reboot. A reevaluation of whats the biggest pool of client prospects, is it griefers, scum and scammers or regular normal players.

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Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-03-18 01:53:32 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Ganking is low brow, it attracts the worst players to the game. Low numbers are probably a symptom of a sick game. EvE needs a total reboot. A reevaluation of whats the biggest pool of client prospects, is it griefers, scum and scammers or regular normal players.




Should have seen GTA V when they released the Online add-on patch. Everyone was shooting everyone blindly and without any reason. That's the main online gaming community and naturally they prefer less complex game play the type "hit da zombiz wid da shovel, then hit moar zombiz" to long term planning/strategy gameplay. There isn't much to re-evaluate I'm afraid.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#37 - 2015-03-18 02:41:16 UTC
Gimme Sake wrote:
The are a ton more mmos available than 5 years ago. Also, as players are aging their priorities in life change and the new generation of players is in search for instant gratification while Eve requires at least long term commitment.
Expanding on this:
We are getting older, burning out on the game more, finding other things to do with our lives.
Accounts may be active they are just being played less.

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Antonia Iskarius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-03-18 02:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Antonia Iskarius
I used to have up to a dozen accounts active at a time. I am down to this last one, which is still active because of the subscription plan I paid for. Why have I cut down so much?

Lets see... bubble immune interceptor spam, a deluge of Ishtar fleets, continual nerfing of the capitals and supercapitals I've spent years training and billions of isk for, a ****** new sov system, and CCP's continual refusal to listen to it's vets because they want to cater to risk-adverse newbs who want to be able to kill anything with T1 frigates and cruisers. You guys are shitting in the sandbox.

I'm tired of being shitted on and I know a lot of other now former players who feel the same.

CCP, you made your bed - now you can get ****** in it.
PhantomMajor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-03-18 04:35:57 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
The longer timeline includes more large spikes and that jacks up the average.

Either that or we're all doomed.


Plus all the banned ISBoxing.


Plus the purge on chinese isk farmers running back to back lvl 4 missions
Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-03-18 05:05:26 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:

And it's the core customers CCP has been neglecting for years, in favour of the WOW crowd.

In fact, "WOW crowd" gets nothing. It's wheel piwatz who's getting buffed, both by limiting drops and going down in size as general.